Smart meters are here with a trail of public concerns

meterA Smart Meter is an electrical meter that records consumption of electricity and communicates that information to a utility for monitoring and billing. Southern California Edison came to the Eastern Sierra this week to offer a cheerful power point presentation on installation of the state-of-the-art meters in the next few weeks in Inyo and Mono. Many communities and the AARP are not so optimistic.

Edison Project Manager Doug Malousis spoke to both Inyo and Mono Boards of Supervisors Tuesday. He claims that the new meters will allow customers to manage their electricity use online.  The meters send data from individual homes via radio frequency waves to a cellular relay that sends the data on to the utility headquarters on an hour by hour basis.

Malousis said that power outages will be immediately reported to Edison.  He said installers are in the Eastern Sierra now.  The Edison manager did say that there is a program for customers to refuse the Smart Meters, called Opt Out.  The customer has to pay $75 one time and $10 per month to avoid a Smart Meter. So, why would someone want to avoid it?

Nationwide and worldwide, individuals and groups have raised concerns about health effects from the meters’ wireless radiation and the fear that utilities will start charging big time for use of power at particular times of day and season as they monitor customers’ use patterns with the new meters. This is called a “time of use” scheme also known as “dynamic pricing.”

Some news reports say power companies want Smart Meters so they can charge more for electricity during heavy use times which encourages customers to cut back.  This, it is reported, will help the utilities avoid investment in more power generating facilities.  Some groups say there is not enough information on how time of use pricing would impact vulnerable households.

There are also concerns about invasion of privacy.  The meters monitor and broadcast to utility headquarters specific electricity use patterns, times of day, types of appliances used.

Some areas have tried to ban the new meters altogether. Marin County passed an ordinance to keep Smart Meters out, so have other governments in other states. However, the California Public Utilities Commission has okayed the meters with the Opt Out program.

Mr. Malousis of Edison described it in the positive by saying that Smart Meters allow customers to “control their use of electricity.”

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reality
reality
10 years ago

Sit back and educate your self on who your rulers really are. This film was made in 2006. What has not come true? History does not lie. Learn who your rulers really are. Or you could stay asleep and keep watching the 6:00 news.

endgame
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-CrNlilZho

Ken Warner
Ken Warner
10 years ago
Reply to  reality

I’ll see your Alex Jones and raise you a David Icke shape shifting alien reptile….

Big AL
Big AL
10 years ago
Reply to  Ken Warner

LOL Ken

Redslate353
Redslate353
10 years ago
Reply to  Ken Warner

Ahh the old endgame flick! I heard they are trying to ban it from youtube. I guess it must be true. AJ was spot on for predicting ‘Builderberger’ RIck Perry to be a runner up for president. As for david ike,… he is a nut case. You would need to… Read more »

Just the facts
Just the facts
10 years ago

The reverse side of the Great Seal of the United States (1776). The Latin phrase “novus ordo seclorum”, appearing on the reverse side of the Great Seal since 1782 and on the back of the U.S one-dollar bill since 1935, means “New Order of the Ages” and only alludes to… Read more »

Redslate353
Redslate353
10 years ago

Call it smart Growth. Call it sustainable Development. Call it Form Based Zoning. Call it Capacity Building, call it Consensus building. Call it green building. Call it education. Hey, it’s not “what is Agenda 21, its “what isn’t Agenda 21?” It not republican and not Democrat. IT’s not libertarian, and… Read more »

Ken Warner
Ken Warner
10 years ago
Reply to  Redslate353

…call it foolish to think that 8 billion people living on a small blue marble with no way off it have no effect on our home and that planet wide cooperation is not needed for our species to survive another 1000 years. The Earth at night — 8 billion people… Read more »

Rob
Rob
10 years ago
Reply to  Ken Warner

You got that right Ken Warner. The real problem is even if we don’t burn coal here, they just ship it to China as they have no problem with burning coal.

It won’t ever work unless it’s a World effort.

Big AL
Big AL
10 years ago
Reply to  Rob

You’re right about a world effort, I truly believe that, but Agenda 21 is using this effort as a cover to a covert agenda. Yes we do need to change how we do things, but I don’t think our freedom sould be a price we need to pay for it.… Read more »

Trouble
Trouble
10 years ago
Reply to  Ken Warner

Ken- not sure why you got all the negatives on this one, I guessing the truth hurts.

Ken Warner
Ken Warner
10 years ago
Reply to  Trouble

They can’t handle the truth 🙂 I guess that all those cartoons where the character gets blown to bits and then is put back together again like Humpty-Dumpty has made people believe that the Earth is not 7926.28 miles in diameter and that’s all we get. We don’t get to… Read more »

Big AL
Big AL
10 years ago
Reply to  Ken Warner

Ken I think we get that the earth is finite .. What we do may accelerate things some but the natural life cycle of the earth is going to run it’s course ..pretty much without our efforts. Yes we are not doing it any good in a lot of ways.… Read more »

Big AL
Big AL
10 years ago
Reply to  Redslate353

Yes amen Redslate, that is what people don’t understand about A 21. being environmentally responsible is one thing .. but to blindly follow something like this because you believe it is right.

Ken Warner
Ken Warner
10 years ago

Here is the preamble to the U.N. Agenda 21 — boy if ever I read a blueprint for World domination and it clearly cites smart meters as being the primary tool to achieve it’s goals. I think they are working in concert with Cyberdyne Systems. If you peek at your… Read more »

Big AL
Big AL
10 years ago
Reply to  Ken Warner

Two red eyes Ken … LMAO .. you heard too many of those trolls talking about the two red eyes.

Can you say one world order, or the mark of the beast. It’s all spelled out in the Book of Revelations.

just the facts
just the facts
10 years ago
Reply to  Big AL

“One world order?”
“Mark of the beast?”
Chill, Big.
Chill.
Your blood pressure will automatically lower at least 10 points.
Then if you can wean yourself away from the talk-radio pundits …
who knows how much better you’ll feel.

Big AL
Big AL
10 years ago
Reply to  just the facts

LOL JTF I’m chill I don’t get so worked up about that like some other people .. just saying. And i will tell you something else, i don’t listen to any of that junk they spew on the talk radio .. or buy into half of the junk that gets… Read more »

Ken Warner
Ken Warner
10 years ago

Big Al, Do you think that the electrical power providers don’t know when the peak power usage is? They are the providers. They know how much electricity they are providing at every second. And this person who is masquerading as many different people quoting a few lunatic websites is going… Read more »

Big AL
Big AL
10 years ago
Reply to  Ken Warner

Ken .. I don’t see the health risks in these, that part is crap and you’re right there are people who spew out a lot of that, and there are those who believe in what they say on the subject. my point about the power companies not being in business… Read more »

Rob
Rob
10 years ago
Reply to  Big AL

Same applies to LADWP. They don’t want to conserve water, they want to sell water.

Big AL
Big AL
10 years ago

Sounds like a new scam for power companies to make money .. they are not in the business to help customers reduce their utility costs. I totally can see the power companies charging a higher rate at peak consumption periods, and if they can monitor that on a daily basis,… Read more »

leatherbag
leatherbag
10 years ago
Reply to  Big AL

“Why do we have to pay money to … opt out? Think about that. $75.00 one time opt out fee, plus $10.00 a month. And I feel it will only be a matter of time before they will just tell … you’re getting one anyways.” @Big Al: ^^You’re on it.^^… Read more »

Doglover
Doglover
10 years ago
Reply to  Big AL

Well I hope if they insist in putting one on my house after I opt out I hope I will get a refund!

Rob
Rob
10 years ago
Reply to  Doglover

Refund? Get your checkbook out. It will cost you $75 to opt out, then an additional $10 a month because their going to have to come out and manually read your meter.

Big AL
Big AL
10 years ago
Reply to  Rob

That $10.00 is pretty steep for them to come read my meter once a month.

Big AL
Big AL
10 years ago
Reply to  Doglover

Good luck with that doglover .. mandate = no refund .. get over it lol

Bishop babe
Bishop babe
10 years ago
Reply to  Big AL

They can charge us more for less great deal for them

Smart meters in New Zealand linked to fire hazards
Smart meters in New Zealand linked to fire hazards
10 years ago

Here is a link in regard to smart meters causing fires. I would hate to see my favorite little mountain town in USA burn down because of some crappy technology.

http://au.news.yahoo.com/today-tonight/money/bills/article/-/13168611/smart-meter-fire-risks/

Ken Warner
Ken Warner
10 years ago

Well, it looks like you’re on to something. I did a little more research and found out that the were over 26,000 electrical malfunction fires in 2010. So the best bet to be really safe is not only get rid of your smart meter — de-wire your house completely. Go… Read more »

Jennie k
Jennie k
10 years ago
Reply to  Ken Warner

I will not be putting a smart meter on my house now that we are expecting a massive drought this summer. I have lived around here long enough to know how dangerous fire season get. Mammoth turns into a tinder box. Why risk it. Especially if they are known to… Read more »

Ken Warner
Ken Warner
10 years ago

I find it interesting that you think Rapid Global Climate Change provoked by increasing CO2 levels which in turn contributes to World wide temperatures increases that have been measured and documented by literally thousands of scientists and technicians is a hoax. And on the other hand, you think the hoax… Read more »

another scam
another scam
10 years ago
Reply to  Ken Warner

You are just too afraid to verify all the facts and think critically. The globe may be warming or cooling no one has proven either side yet but is definitely not from man made Co2. The world is waking up. The carbon credit scam goes right to the world bank… Read more »

another scam
another scam
10 years ago

If you really believe that carbon dioxide is causing global warming then you need a smart meter installed between your ears.

Ken Warner
Ken Warner
10 years ago
Reply to  another scam

You are so clever! If wit alone could only remedy…. http://www.warmdebate.com/sites/default/files/co2-globa-temperature.gif May 15, 2012 In April 2012, the average temperature of Earth’s Northern Hemisphere was the warmest of any April in the past 133 years. Globally, April 2012 marks the fifth warmest April since temperature records began in 1880. It… Read more »

leatherbag
leatherbag
10 years ago
Reply to  Ken Warner

Wow! 5th warmest April in 133 years! Must be climate VARIATIONS. It won’t be long and the glaciers will melt from North America, the dinosaurs will become extinct, and great canyons and lakes will be formed. :rolleyes;

Another scam
Another scam
10 years ago
Reply to  Ken Warner

Why don’t you plug in your smart meter and save the world from evil Co2……. The same stuff that makes plants grow. We cant have that happen can we. Hasn’t the climate been changing since the beginning of time?

how about the sun causing climate change…go figure

http://rspa.royalsocietypublishing.org/content/464/2094/1387.abstract

http://junkscience.com/

wake up mammoth
wake up mammoth
10 years ago

Smart meters another example of how the UN Agenda 21 is encroaching into your lives. It reads like gobbly-goop and has loads of warm and fuzzies but the devil is in the details. Mammoth needs to wake up.

upthecreek
upthecreek
10 years ago

Glad to see a few people in Mammoth are Awake …

Ken Warner
Ken Warner
10 years ago

…I smell beans — is someone cooking beans???

Smart meters liked health problems
Smart meters liked health problems
10 years ago

After the installation of a smart meter in their home, many people are reporting health symptoms, including: •Sleep disturbances •Headaches •Dizziness, fatigue •Concentration & memory problems •Nervous & hormonal disturbances •Heart Palpitations •Behavioral problems in children Researchers have found that Smart Meters generate radically higher levels of radiation than power… Read more »

Ken Warner
Ken Warner
10 years ago

I’ve been wearing an aluminium foil hat for several years now. No problems like you describe except all those people shouting — was that the phone — will someone answer the damn phone — what was I saying — DUCK — no wait that one’s ok……

another scam
another scam
10 years ago
Reply to  Ken Warner

Ahh, the old aluminium foil hat responce (the easy way to out of an argument) for people who are either too arrogant to look up the facts or dont know how to think critically or just uninformed.

Ken Warner
Ken Warner
10 years ago
Reply to  another scam

…ok — what exactly is the amount of radiation that is emitted by those smart meters that is going to turn us into mutants? Come on — tell us exactly the numbers. Then tell us exactly how much radiation we get from our computer monitors, cell phones, microwaves and how… Read more »

Seth
Seth
10 years ago
Reply to  Ken Warner

Not convincing…. You went right to SCE’s web sight. hmm mmm real credible….. That is like asking a car sales man what he thinks about his cars. Or what apple thinks about there computers or a drug company study on the risks of their own drug and asking the FDA… Read more »

upthecreek
upthecreek
10 years ago

However.. How often does SCE actually activate the meter. and I would think your average cell phone and Wifi system puts out a lot more signal than the meter.

You can always install a lead shield over the meter cover…LOL

Desco
Desco
10 years ago
Reply to  upthecreek

The meter sends info every hour for residential customers and every 15 minutes for businesses. My meter is outside my bedroom window about 36 inches above my feet when sleeping. If I come down with toe cancer heads will fly.

Wayne Deja
Wayne Deja
10 years ago

….sounds like many,many excuses to maybe file some kind of law-suit in the future…how does it go?…..”We’ll FIGHT for you !!!”

Dumb meters
Dumb meters
10 years ago

Smart Meters are not just in the United States. They are being mandated in Europe by the European Union, and in other parts of the world by their federal governments. By doing more research, one finds out that smart meters are part of “smart growth” or “sustainable development” or “Agenda… Read more »

Bishop babe
Bishop babe
10 years ago
Reply to  Dumb meters
Ken Warner
Ken Warner
10 years ago
Reply to  Bishop babe

If it’s on youtube — you know it’s true (giggle)….

seth
seth
10 years ago
Reply to  Ken Warner

If its on CNN or FOX news – you know its true (giggle)….

Big AL
Big AL
10 years ago
Reply to  Bishop babe

Yeah … can you say one world order?

Letta Mego
Letta Mego
10 years ago
Reply to  Dumb meters

Smart meters are just another robbery…kind of like the bailouts. Except “smart” meters are more like armed robbery…”smart” meters are the same as cell phone substations which will control your new appliances like cell phones. And they will make the appliances that aren’t smart so expensive to operate you’ll be… Read more »

Doglover
Doglover
10 years ago

I have known about this for months. I chose to OPT OUT. Please research and chose for yourself there are a health risk with the meters. Do we really need any more health risks? Why do you think they did not give reasonable time for the public to be informed… Read more »

MonkeyMom
MonkeyMom
10 years ago

Like Lynn, our meter was also changed out quite some time ago without us being notified.

leatherbag
leatherbag
10 years ago

It’s more than monitoring and this is only part of the story. These meters will work hand in hand with what next will probably next be “required” also, as in “smart” thermostats, plug-ins, and so on in order that they can see exactly what appliance is running and have the… Read more »

Rob
Rob
10 years ago
Reply to  leatherbag

“When you start paying attention to what’s inside your home, you can make tremendous savings,”

I don’t need a smart meter for that. The smart meter allows edision to start paying attention to what’s inside your home.

opt out!

upthecreek
upthecreek
10 years ago

We could use a BUNCH or so called “SMART METERS” at the Town and MMSA.
Do they have one that will fix a 40 million dollar deficit??

GGFW

Just the facts
Just the facts
10 years ago
Reply to  upthecreek

Oh, that funny, funny Dave!
Always fantasizing he’s playing prosecuting attorney.
“Answer My Question!”
“And do it Now!
“I mean it!”‘
“No, really. I mean it!”
You crack me up, Dave!
:>

Ken Warner
Ken Warner
10 years ago

“There are also concerns about invasion of privacy. The meters monitor and broadcast to utility headquarters specific electricity use patterns, times of day, types of appliances used.” Right! It’s Big Brother trying to find out how much you use your electric toothbrush. With that information in hand, World domination is… Read more »

Rob
Rob
10 years ago
Reply to  Ken Warner

“The meters monitor and broadcast to utility headquarters specific electricity use patterns, times of day, types of appliances used.” Yes, this is because power companies are moving toward tiered billing based on time of day. Currently the tiered system charges you more when you use more. Pretty soon they’re going… Read more »

Ken Warner
Ken Warner
10 years ago
Reply to  Rob

…and what is it you really want? All the electricity you want for free? Or maybe you can use the information to reduce the electricity you use and actually save money. What I’m going to do is fit halogen bulbs in all my light sockets; buy an air conditioner that… Read more »

Reality Bites
Reality Bites
10 years ago
Reply to  Ken Warner

Yeah right. Were from the government and we are here to help.

Just the facts
Just the facts
10 years ago
Reply to  Reality Bites

Uh, no!
I see the extreme Right is out in force today.
Reality Bites must have taken some time off from his/her Tea Party duties to post some “I hate government” nonsense.

Somewhere, Glenn Beck is smiling.

Dave
Dave
10 years ago
Reply to  Just the facts

Just the Facts: I’m just curious to know: Did or do you work for an employer that is funded from tax revenue, ie. the government?

Just the facats
Just the facats
10 years ago
Reply to  Dave

Dave: I’m also just curious to know: Does your blood boil and your blood pressure skyrocket just thinking of a government person, ie. any elected official?

Dave
Dave
10 years ago
Reply to  Dave

Can’t even answer a basic question. “Just the facats” probably has some teaching background too. Answers a question with another question.

Bishop babe
Bishop babe
10 years ago
Reply to  Just the facts

I am a liberal / Democrat and I am against smart meters and shady government corruption. You should not choose sides for this debate because this was a non democratic decision that was just forced upon us.

http://www.democratsagainstunagenda21.com/

Ken Warner
Ken Warner
10 years ago
Reply to  Bishop babe

Well, I read what you linked to. And I am speechless. As I understand your position, you’re line in the sand against Agenda 21 is to dis-allow the installation of a smart meter on your home. [sigh]…… Stand up against smart meters. You’ll have to pry my old dumb electric… Read more »

Rob
Rob
10 years ago

“So, why would someone want to avoid it?” The number one reason to opt out of having a smart meter is if you have solar. When your solar system is generating more power then your home is using your old meter would spin backwards as you supply power to the… Read more »

kyle
kyle
10 years ago
Reply to  Rob

That is simply not true. My parents have a smart meter & solar panels. There is an arrow indicating direction of power flow. If you are putting power back into the grid, the arrow changes direction to indicate that. You do get credit.

Ken Warner
Ken Warner
10 years ago
Reply to  kyle

Hey, don’t bother us with facts! We’ve already got our minds made up and you will only anger us.

Rob
Rob
10 years ago
Reply to  kyle

Kyle – I have both type meters. Yes the smart meter has an arrow showing which way the power is going. The smart meter also accumulates power sent back to the grid. But that amount is not deducted from the kw hours used from the grid. it’s actually funny how… Read more »

John Barton
John Barton
10 years ago
Reply to  Rob

Rob- I’ve had a “smart” meter for over a year when I installed a solar generation array on my roof. The solar equipment included a meter that shows my power generation and every day for the first year I wrote down the kw reading on the smart meter. The difference… Read more »

Rob
Rob
10 years ago
Reply to  John Barton

Don’t know what to say about that other then that’s not how mine works. You must have a hec of a solar array to build up enough credit to cover your usage at night and still get a check back from Edison. How many watts does something like that make… Read more »

leatherbag
leatherbag
10 years ago

“Mr. Malousis of Edison described it in the positive by saying that Smart Meters allow customers to “control their use of electricity.” ” ^^Can you say, “bull schtick!” ^^ I thought you could. I am so nieve to think that people could already do that with the switch, knob, or… Read more »

Steve
Steve
10 years ago

Growers beware!

Lynn
Lynn
10 years ago

What’s odd is that sometime last summer, we noticed that our meter had been changed to a smart meter. We have no idea when it happened and no one came to the door to let us know they were going to be changing it out. We just noticed the new… Read more »

Benett Kessler
Benett Kessler
10 years ago
Reply to  Lynn

If you have Edison service, it may be the Smart Meter. You have a right to call and find out. In fact, they should have notified you if they changed it out. Benett Kessler

Rob
Rob
10 years ago
Reply to  Benett Kessler

Edison doesn’t notify you that they’ve changed your meter. They notify you via mail that they will be changing out your meter. Exactly when you don’t get to know. A contractor comes out (hopefully knocks on your door before turning your power off) and swaps out the meter. The choice… Read more »

Jenny B
Jenny B
10 years ago
Reply to  Lynn

Here is a site for smart meter refusal information.

http://refusesmartmeters.com/

wake up mammoth
wake up mammoth
9 years ago
Reply to  Lynn

Anti-smart meter activists fight back at council meeting, accuse city of breaking its own laws. Interesting story: see link

http://www.naturalnews.com/039080_smart_meters_Naperville_resistance.html