“Safety…not a priority to the Town Council”

PRESS RELEASE November 30. 2012
The Mammoth Lakes Police Officer’s Association (MLPOA) would like to announce the resignations and retirements of five officers that will take place before the end of December 2012.
Largely due to the decision of the Town of Mammoth Lakes Town Council as it relates to the upcoming elimination of seven sworn officer positions, many officers began looking for employment with other law enforcement agencies.

Officers were awaiting the results of the Town sponsored public survey that was conducted in which the Town Council stated that they wanted input from the public before making final decisions as to police lay-offs, raising taxes, etc. so that they could do what  the community was in favor of.  Despite at least 65% of the public not being in favor of cutting police services, the Town Council voted 5-0 to move forward with the proposed eliminations in July 2013.  They initially proposed the lay-offs to happen in December 2012, but were reminded that it would be a violation of the MOU between the MLPOA and the Town.

The MLPOA members are dedicated, and have a personal interest in the town, its residents, and visitors.  However, our officers cannot work in an environment where the safety of the officers, citizens, and visitors are not a priority to the Town Council.

Officer Marty Thompson

During the month of December 2012, the Mammoth Lakes Police Department will be losing five great officers.

Officer Marty Thompson graduated from Mammoth High School in 1988 and joined the Mammoth Lakes Police Department in 2007.  Marty will now be working for the Mono County Sheriff’s Department.  Marty has been the Head Coach for the Mammoth Varsity Football Team for the past

Officer Ron Gladding

3 years.

Officer Ron Gladding graduated from Mammoth High School in 1995.  Ron started his law enforcement career with the Contra Costa County Sheriff’s Department in 2005, and has worked for the Mammoth Lakes Police Department since 2006.  Ron will now be working for the Bishop Police

Officer Jesse Gorham

Department.

Officer Jesse Gorham started his law enforcement career in 1989 with the San Diego Police Department and came to work for the Mammoth Lakes Police Department in 1997.   Jesse will be retiring from MLPD and starting the next chapter in his life.

Sergeant Paul Robles started his law enforcement career in 1985 with the

Sergeant Paul Robles

San Bernardino County Sheriff’s Department.  He then went to work for the Bishop Police Department in 1989, and came to work for the Mammoth

Lieutenant John Mair

Lakes Police Department in 2005.

Lieutenant John Mair started his Law Enforcement career in 1984with the Hawthorne Police Department before he went to work for the Huntington Beach Police Department.  He has been with Mammoth Lakes Police Department since 1996 and has earned his way through the ranks to his current position.

These vacancies will bring the staffing level down to only 10 sworn officers available to work patrol during the peak season, with some of those officers likely to be retiring or resigning for other employment opportunities well before July 2013.  It is unlikely that any qualified police officers would come to work for the Town of Mammoth Lakes under these working conditions, and the fear of lay-off.

With this limited number of patrol officers, it will not be possible to provide 24-hour police service.  Police service and presence will be significantly reduced, and with the busy holiday season among us, the MLPOA reminds its residents and visitors to be aware of your surroundings and lock your vehicles.

The MLPOA would like to wish its residents and visitors a happy and safe holiday season.
Submitted by,
Sgt. Paul Robles
Out-going MLPOA President

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Do The Math
Do The Math
9 years ago

Anyone want to bet what the 2013 stats will look like with less than 10 officers working for the year?

Miscellaneous employee
Miscellaneous employee
9 years ago

Charles, I pointed out the false dichotomy that is presented here “you couldn’t be police, you couldn’t possibly understand the sacrifice” then in the next breath “don’t be mad cuz you aren’t smart like us.” You don’t get it both ways. Police pensions are out of whack with the rest… Read more »

Benett Kessler
Benett Kessler
9 years ago

Mammoth Police Chief Watson released these stats in February: MAMMOTH LAKES CRIME AND TRAFFIC STATISTICS CRIME 2010 2011 % CHANGE (The first number below is 2010, second number 2011, % of change) Murder 0 0 No change Rape 8 5 -36% Robbery 2 4 +100% Assault 88 90 +2% Burglary… Read more »

Trouble
Trouble
9 years ago
Reply to  Benett Kessler

What crimes fall under larceny?

Benett Kessler
Benett Kessler
9 years ago
Reply to  Trouble

Taking and carrying away personal property.
BK

Big AL
Big AL
9 years ago
Reply to  Benett Kessler

Interesting facts Benett .. So it looks like personal harm is not an issue .. traffic related items are down. Robbery is the biggest ..and auto theft is way big. Looks like the cops were doing something worthwile, or that the community was blessed with a lot of up standing… Read more »

Charles O. Jones
Charles O. Jones
9 years ago

@ miscellaneous, I not sure who you referring to with your quotation marks and the references to “you” and “your”….hopefully not me, because I have said nothing of the sort and I am not a member of the MLPD or an employee of the town. I smell and agenda in… Read more »

Charles O. Jones
Charles O. Jones
9 years ago

@ Miscellaneous employee, I never referred to cops as heroes and I don’t see them as such. I see them as people like you and me who just want to do their job and be left alone. I also happen to think their job is a very tough one, for… Read more »

Miscellaneous employee
Miscellaneous employee
9 years ago

Yeah. I could have been a cop. I mean its not like its rocket surgery. Police in CA haven’t achieved the extravagant pensions by being smart. Just being self interested and using the same fear tactics in negotiations we see with this press release. And yeah, sergeants are pulling down… Read more »

Benett Kessler
Benett Kessler
9 years ago

It’s either rocket science or brain surgery. Rocket surgery sounds like either mechanical repairs or the pastime of a daredevil surgeon.
Benett

Sean F
Sean F
9 years ago
Reply to  Benett Kessler

Lol…

Big AL
Big AL
9 years ago

Sounds like you should have been a cop Sean. Everyone seems to think it is so easy to be one, piece of cake eh? It takes more than you think to be a good cop or even an average cop or bad cop. But just the same .. it takes… Read more »

Crime Spree
Crime Spree
9 years ago
Reply to  Big AL

Good cop or bad cop, when you ride on the shirt tails of unions you get paid what the other guy gets paid. Not for what you bring to the table.

The system is broke

RU4REAL?
RU4REAL?
9 years ago
Reply to  Crime Spree

Nice!

Charles O. Jones
Charles O. Jones
9 years ago

@Miscellaneous, Cops are “self interested” in their careers? Who isn’t? No one has volunteered MLPD pay structure? Public employee MOU’s are a matter of public record and available for review to anyone who is interested. What crimes get solved other than traffic, drugs, and domestic violence? Perhaps the DA’s office… Read more »

Miscellaneous employee
Miscellaneous employee
9 years ago

Well, police can either be heroes or they can be self interested. Pick one and stick with it.

Otherwise, put a sock in it.

Signed,

Taxpayer and veteran

John
John
9 years ago

Trouble, The trouble is that the two officers who have been involved in these
shenanigans that you’re referring to are apparently still with the Department.

Trouble
Trouble
9 years ago
Reply to  John

John-I don’t know the answer to that, but the way it was all white washed and I think everybody ended up walking away from prosecution, is not helping their reputations now. I know most of us would have ended up with felony charges.

Trouble
Trouble
9 years ago

There is a good side to all this; -less chicken … tickets -less cops hiding in the bushes waiting to write chicken …. tickets -less cops setting outside the bars waiting to write chicken…. tickets and less fights behind being covered up by cops behind Rusty’s. I can list more… Read more »

Big AL
Big AL
9 years ago
Reply to  Trouble

Wait .. Trouble, I thought Rusty’s is in Bishop .. hehe

Sean F
Sean F
9 years ago

I was in line at Von’s today. The cashier was telling a wealthy looking LA woman about Mammoth budget cuts, less cops, and how everyone in town is loading their guns and putting them under their pillows. “It’s going to get bad” (refering to crime) he tells this affluent looking… Read more »

upthecreek
upthecreek
9 years ago
Reply to  Sean F

nothing to fear but fear itself
BOO
GGW

Big Rick OBrien
Big Rick OBrien
9 years ago
Reply to  Sean F

Sean, the plain truth is …Mammoth HAS become a less safe place, down 5 cops & counting. Would you consider it to be as safe as it was a week ago, when there were a third more officers available to answer a a call for help ?

Greg
Greg
9 years ago

Safe is a relative term and should be used in perspective with regard to this situation. Mammoth is not going to become Compton. Sure, maybe a few people will get away speeding, but give me a break. For all of you attacking the Town Council, you sure can talk the… Read more »

Big AL
Big AL
9 years ago
Reply to  Sean F

Good point Sean … I don’t think it is going to be the horror show it sounds like … according to some, but it will be something the people will have to deal with. I think it will change for the better, as soon as the TC gets the message… Read more »

Sean F
Sean F
9 years ago
Reply to  Big AL

I get all the issues. If I was on the TC I would make public safety a much higher priority than tourism or public housing etc etc. All it will take is one high profile incident where the cops took too long to respond or someone died or seriously beaten… Read more »

Crime Spree
Crime Spree
9 years ago
Reply to  Sean F

I also warn those visting TOML about how dangerous the town is now due to the city councils choices. Sometimes it’s fun to throw more logs on the fire then really necessary. I complete understand where the Vons checker is coming from.

Charles O. Jones
Charles O. Jones
9 years ago

All but one of those officers began their law enforcment careers elsewhere. They left their previous employers to come and work here in Mammoth Lakes – presumably because they viewed MLPD as better than where they came from. MLPD was able to lure experienced officers from other agencies with attractive… Read more »

NoRestForTheSHADY
NoRestForTheSHADY
9 years ago

The Town Council members phone numbers are listed on the Town of Mammoth Lakes website. Maybe the community should start calling them when they need police services. Won’t be anyone else to call. Or maybe they should call the overpaid bear whisperer, he has a gun that shoots bean bags.

Big AL
Big AL
9 years ago

-Officers were awaiting the results of the Town sponsored public survey that was conducted in which the Town Council stated that they wanted input from the public before making final decisions as to police lay-offs, raising taxes, etc. so that they could do what the community was in favor of.… Read more »

H
H
9 years ago

Assuming you are a “miscellaneous” employee with regards a PERS formula – means you have never put life at risk to protect the general public. Big difference in my opinion.

Miscellaneous employee
Miscellaneous employee
9 years ago
Reply to  H

Is there a police sergeant with 25 years sitting at the top of the scale grossing less than $100k in ca? I doubt it. Maybe I’m a painter or a carpenter or an equip operator, or you know somebody who actually produces work every day. If I am forced out… Read more »

Ken Warner
Ken Warner
9 years ago

Why don’t you fight for better retirement benefits for yourself instead of complaining that others are smarter and better prepared for their inevitable retirement?

No they are not better than you. You have just undervalued yourself.

Mark
Mark
9 years ago
Reply to  Ken Warner

Undervalued? These State workers might be the best workers around, but if we can’t afford them, we might have to go with 2nd best. Who says the State must employee the best if they can’t afford to pay them? I don’t drive the car I want, I drive the car… Read more »

Charles O. Jones
Charles O. Jones
9 years ago

@Miscellaneous… Equitable? Why does a Wall Street hedge fund dude make millions? Certainly not because he works harder. It is unrealistic to expect all career paths to be equitable. Why didn’t you pursue a career in law enforcement if you think they’ve got it so good? Attacking others for your… Read more »

Big AL
Big AL
9 years ago

Good point Ken and Charley. This topic is nothing new .. just new circumstances forcing it’s ugly head to rear up. We all make decisions what we want to do for a career or to make a living. It’s easy in times like to pint the finger for woes. when… Read more »

Mark
Mark
9 years ago

Charles O. Jones – When I wanted to pursue a career as a L.A. County fireman it was during affirmative action and they were only hiring black and brown humans. I’m thinking I want compensation for being disadvantaged by the color of my skin. Maybe I should be allowed to… Read more »

Big AL
Big AL
9 years ago

Miscellaneous employee, not disagreeing with you totally, but I know a lot of retired LEO’s who are not pulling in those amounts, most patrolmen, SGT’s do not make those figures as you’re suggesting. Like some others suggest as well. The problem is, the ranks higher than SGT’s. These employees pull… Read more »

1234
1234
9 years ago

The MLPOA has opened their contract and negotiated their salaries and benefits in order to save the jobs of fellow officers for the past 3 years. I for one understand that they are tired of being lied to by the town council and its time that they take a stand.… Read more »

The town is ruined
The town is ruined
9 years ago
Reply to  1234

Those other California agencies are over compensating employees and are in financial trouble themselves. The entire system is failing.

I was going to invest in more gold but I’ve decided I’m going to purchase additional ammo instead. Lock and load!

John
John
9 years ago

It’s really a shame that a couple of bad apples in personnel have mucked up the reputation of MLPD so badly that it has come to this.

Karnak
Karnak
9 years ago
Reply to  John

You got that right John. They are the ones that will stay at Mammoth PD because no other agency would hire them with their background. The good ones are leaving.

Miscellaneous employee
Miscellaneous employee
9 years ago

It is telling that officers can afford to retire with less than 25 years of service. With the current formulas used by most departments folks can go out with a 75% pension that can easily exceed 6 figures when the value of retiree health care is included. This kind of… Read more »

H
H
9 years ago

I am ashamed of the leadership in this Town.

Start a recall
Start a recall
9 years ago
Reply to  H

Seems to me the group we have now are stuck together like copulating dogs in the street. If We the People are serious, and actually wanting to do something about the whole mess, you must gather petitions, get some legal advice, and initiate a recall of the elected officials who… Read more »

Mark
Mark
9 years ago
Reply to  H

This kind of excess is crushing many municipalities right now. San Bernardino is in big trouble right now. murder rate has doubled and they have 80 less officers on the streets. San Bernardino County DA told the public to load their guns and lock their doors. I continue to be… Read more »

Trouble
Trouble
9 years ago
Reply to  Mark

Most of the crimes in Mammoth are minor. It looks to me like they average less than one arrest a day and will still have 9 officers to guard the snow stakes. Remember , the fire dept. and paramedics are still there to really help the people. Plus I don’t… Read more »

Reality Check
Reality Check
9 years ago
Reply to  Trouble

What is a volunteer officer? How much training? What is the liability?

Do you have any idea at all what you are talking about?

Big AL
Big AL
9 years ago

I think the 6 figures is delusional.

Mike J
Mike J
9 years ago

You should do some homework. Town employees don’t get retiree health care.

Miscellaneous employee
Miscellaneous employee
9 years ago
Reply to  Mike J

I don’t need to do anything to know that the story is more complicated than that. You can cherry pick all day, but if you know the structure then you understand the problem.

upthecreek
upthecreek
9 years ago

a few less cops in mammoth will not even be noticed..
the only thing the tax payers will notice are a few less pensions to feed

GGW

Big Rick OB
Big Rick OB
9 years ago

I feel for the officers that aren’t jumping ship & will have to take up the slack . ” NOBODY GETS A DAY OFF TILL SPRING”

Get Real
Get Real
9 years ago
Reply to  Big Rick OB

I think it is more like sometimes when you call 911 no one shows up.

Mammothgal
Mammothgal
9 years ago

Marty Thompson leaving is the worst thing that could happen for the Town. He is a very compassionate and caring policeman, not very common for the Town Police Force. The Town Council and the Citizen’s of Mammoth loose on this one.

quietstorm
quietstorm
9 years ago
Reply to  Mammothgal

Yes, he is a wonderful person and policeman….I doubt that he would have been one of the ones to be let go if/when the department is downsized…..the same with the other policemen pictured in the news release….they most likely would have been the ones NOT let go…..so they left to… Read more »

1234
1234
9 years ago
Reply to  quietstorm

Quiet storm, the officers would belet go in order of seniority. I do not blame them for taking other job opportunities while they are available. Jobs are hard to come by in this area. I don’t consider this a pattern.

Get Real
Get Real
9 years ago
Reply to  quietstorm

Quietstorm, Wrong again! You should check your facts before posting. Marty Thompson was second from the bottom in seniority. The council voted to lay off seven officers. Do the math on that! Are you married to a town council member or just a paid tool/spinmeister. You act like a classic… Read more »

Big AL
Big AL
9 years ago
Reply to  Get Real

Pretty harsh there get real .. you don’t always make sense either. One can say your responses and posts are assinine too. Quietstorm doesn’t seem to be against the PD or the officers, just that the press release seemed to be a message to the criminal types to c’mon it… Read more »

Get Real
Get Real
9 years ago
Reply to  Big AL

Big Al, let me know what you did not understand and I will try and explain it to you. I promise to type real slow and not use any big words!

Big AL
Big AL
9 years ago
Reply to  Big AL

No I understood it fully Get real you don’t have to play down to me like I’m some sort of idiot, this response from you just proves my point, thank you.

Reality Check
Reality Check
9 years ago
Reply to  Big AL

OK, next time I will draw a stick figure picture for you.

Big AL
Big AL
9 years ago
Reply to  quietstorm

I think you need to re think your thoughts about the message to the riff raff quietstorm .. seriously .. do you think the riff raff is like waiting for the go ahead, to storm the gates? Like they are checking a news board somewhere. I’m sure Sierra wave is… Read more »

Seriously
Seriously
9 years ago
Reply to  Mammothgal

If I’m correct Marty hasn’t left yet. So are you telling the truth or attempting to predict the future.

Same applies to MLPOA; They can’t predict the future. I say It’s not the truth because it hasn’t happened yet.

quietstorm
quietstorm
9 years ago

“The MLPOA would like to wish its residents and visitors a happy and safe holiday season.” …are you serious?… I am appalled that the police association (with this news release) would knowingly put the public’s safety at further risk by announcing to would-be criminals when is the best time to… Read more »

Your Outta Your Mind like Joe Biden
Your Outta Your Mind like Joe Biden
9 years ago
Reply to  quietstorm

Don’t get your panties in a wad… You need to lay the blame with your friends at the Town Council. The citizens need to know that December is the beginning of what the Town Council has been pushing. These officer needed to find new jobs of to be left jobless… Read more »

SkiJohn
SkiJohn
9 years ago
Reply to  quietstorm

Quiet Storm, they are not getting their way so this is their tactic. What people are over-looking on here is this: all 17 cops could have stayed if they were willing to take a pay cut and operate within a smaller budget – a budget other towns exactly like Mammoth… Read more »

Benett Kessler
Benett Kessler
9 years ago
Reply to  SkiJohn

The Town Council has ordred the cut of seven positions. There has been no public disclosure that pay cuts would save all those jobs.
Mono County Sheriff is not obligated to provide officers to Mammoth Lakes which is a municipality and responsible for its own
law enforcement.
Benett Kessler

John Startz
John Startz
9 years ago
Reply to  Benett Kessler

Town did not order any cuts, just a reduced budget, that is up to the manager which is the Cheif to run his department on a revised budget. The TC does not run the PD the Cheif does.

Benett Kessler
Benett Kessler
9 years ago
Reply to  John Startz

That’s true, but their restructuring plan specifically stated reduction of 7 positions in the MLPD.
BK

Get Real
Get Real
9 years ago
Reply to  SkiJohn

SkiJohn, it seems that you do not wish to be confused by the actual facts so you make your own up.

SkiJohn
SkiJohn
9 years ago
Reply to  Get Real

I go to every single TC meeting, and I’ve heard every council member say if the officers would cut their pay, more jobs could be preserved. Do you bother to go to the meetings, Get Real?

Get Real
Get Real
9 years ago
Reply to  SkiJohn

You my go the the meetings but clearly you do not listen.

Heidi
Heidi
9 years ago
Reply to  quietstorm

What patterns are you referring to? Your comment is nonsensical. All of it.

quietstorm
quietstorm
9 years ago
Reply to  Heidi

Look, there is job history in the story. The point being that it was irresponsible to announce to the world that some of the best officers are leaving, that the department is understaffed effective NOW and then say “have a happy and SAFE holiday”….really? What exactly was the point of… Read more »

Get Real
Get Real
9 years ago
Reply to  quietstorm

Since when is telling the truth irresponsible? The MLPOA is simply pointing out to the citizens that they serve, the results of the Town Council’s decision.

The citizens have a right to know.

Heidi
Heidi
9 years ago
Reply to  quietstorm

Quietstorm: Let me itemize my issues with ALL of your comments: The MLPOA, in their one press release, has not put the safety of the TOML at risk. The town council has, with its months of announcements intending to cut almost half of the town’s police force. The “best” time… Read more »

quietstorm
quietstorm
9 years ago
Reply to  quietstorm

To all the thumbs down……answer me this: What exactly was the purpose of this news release? What was the motivation of the police that wrote this, signed this, ok’ed this news release? Did it really help the citizens of Mammoth? or was it completely self serving and at the expense… Read more »

Get Real
Get Real
9 years ago
Reply to  quietstorm

The purpose of the press release was to tell the public the truth about what the Town Council decisions have resulted in. The public has a RIGHT TO KNOW.

Quietstorm, you really must stop drinking the Town Council Koolaid and look at the big picture.

Karnak
Karnak
9 years ago
Reply to  quietstorm

Please explain why it is wrong for the MLPOA to tell the truth about decisions made by the Town Council, and what those decisions have resulted in.

Tourbillon
Tourbillon
9 years ago
Reply to  quietstorm

OK Quietstorm here goes. The “truth” could have been told at any time, in many far less flamboyant ways. Doing it this way right before the busiest time of year was accurately calculated to gain the widest possible dissemination down south and inflict the hardest possible economic hit on the… Read more »

Big AL
Big AL
9 years ago
Reply to  quietstorm

I see it quietstorm as their side of the story .. they did not force this issue on the town of Mammoth Lakes, they might have been willing to work with the TC, but the TC made it clear they were decided to cut jobs … after the winter season… Read more »

Big AL
Big AL
9 years ago
Reply to  Big AL

Oh but I hope everyone’s holiday is safe .., I hope the town is blessed with no bad joojoo until the TC decides to do the right thing.

Get Real
Get Real
9 years ago
Reply to  quietstorm

Quietstorm, you make no sense at all. How could they have fought harder? The officers, and especially the Chief went to the mat with a Town Council that had their minds made up and would not listen to them or the public. The MLPOA’s press release was spot on. Why… Read more »

ferdinand lopez
ferdinand lopez
9 years ago

the town council members must have great home security systems,and they odviously dont go out at night,the only justice is if the council members are directly affected by a lack of police force

Wild Wild West
Wild Wild West
9 years ago

Looks like its open season for criminals. Best grab your guns and lock yourselves inside for the busy holiday because all kinds of out of town riff raft will be making way here to cause havoc!

Dingo
Dingo
9 years ago

How many police officers could the Town employ if we were to eliminate one of the two town managers? Two town managers…I just don’t get it.

Try and say “Marianna Marysheva-Martinez” 3 times real fast.

Shaun
Shaun
9 years ago

They better get the contract in place with the sheriff pretty soon. I rather see several deputies driving around since they wouldn’t have to pay for all that fat like a chief and six civilians.

Big Rick OB
Big Rick OB
9 years ago
Reply to  Shaun

What makes ANY of you think that contracting with the Sheriff’s Dept. would be any cheaper than having the regular police force…the Sheriff would set a price that would be non-negotiable and it probably be about the same money, so it’s a moot point, really.

john startz
john startz
9 years ago

” It is unlikely that any qualified police officers would come to work for the Town of Mammoth Lakes under these working conditions, ”

Time to get rid of the whole damn department and go to the Sheriff like it used to be, absurd propaganda!

Benett Kessler
Benett Kessler
9 years ago
Reply to  john startz

The Town Council never asked the Sheriff for a proposal, that we know of, and the Sheriff doesn’t have to accept a
contract to cover Mammmoth. Not that simple.
BK

Ken Warner
Ken Warner
9 years ago
Reply to  john startz

It;s. Not. The. Same. Town. That. It. Used. To. Be. When. The. Sherriff. Provided. Police. Protection.

Talk about living under a rock.

Trouble
Trouble
9 years ago
Reply to  john startz

I agree with Mr. Startz, I can’t stand when people start playing on peoples fears. As long as Mammoth has it’s fire dept. , no ones going to be left for dead. Mammoth is far from a violent town.

Get Real
Get Real
9 years ago
Reply to  john startz

Hey John, try thinking for just a moment. The Sheriff’s Department does not want the Police Department and the Town can’t make him tale it over. Now what oh great thinker?

Steve
Steve
9 years ago
Reply to  john startz

If public safety was a priority of the police officers then why don’t they take a pay cut and save the force from these layoffs at the same time protect the community. Nobody from the force ever brought this to the conversation. The problem is the town does not have… Read more »

Benett Kessler
Benett Kessler
9 years ago
Reply to  Steve

Something to remember – the police did give up 26% of their compensation in negotiations last summer and quite possibly other concessions earlier.
Just a point that they have taken cuts.
Benett Kessler

Big AL
Big AL
9 years ago
Reply to  Steve

Steve, as I see it .. a lot of public sector people have been taking pay cuts and lay offs, this story is just on example of this, things like this are playing out all over the country. It is just that some don’t see it, but it is happening.… Read more »

Ken H
Ken H
9 years ago
Reply to  Big AL

If its so terrible then go get another job. Nobody is forced to work anywhere, I think Lincoln put an end to slavery.

Jon
Jon
9 years ago
Reply to  john startz

No, it’s time to hire some younger officers at a lower pay rate, then see what the budget looks like in July 2013.