“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.” The Declaration of Independence
As one of several individuals who have been mentioned in comments on a recent Facebook post regarding the Town Hall Meeting occurring on January 15, I am responding to encourage open discussion and find common ground in these unprecedented times.
As a sovereign being with body autonomy, the freedoms and rights given to me by nature and solidified by the governing documents of The United States of America are being stripped from me in nearly every aspect of my life for the past 22 months. For over a year, I felt I was alone in this thinking. Talking with a few others in town, however, I realized that many people were feeling the same as me, but our voices were not being heard, our beliefs were not being respected, our way of life was being taken from us, and we had no say in the matter.
As more and more people heard others felt this way, the group grew and we became known as Free Eastside. We are a group who gather together to discuss what is happening in the world at large and then direct our attention to local level circumstances and how they pertain to our livelihoods, our families, our health, and our individual freedoms.
We have the unalienable right to stand up for ourselves and for each other when we are forced to do something against our will. We have been forced and coerced, with no discussion or concern for differing opinions or views, to follow rules, mandates and orders that we do not agree with.
Isn’t inclusion about seeing and validating other individual’s viewpoints, rights and liberties? We don’t have to agree on everything, and we won’t as that is not how we as humans behave, but we can respect diverse opinions and work together to find solutions and common ground.
There is no hate in our group. There are opinions and thoughts that differ in more ways than not. As the group has grown, we have asked for guidance in all areas that impact our lives. Many people with a variety of knowledge have talked with us about their areas of expertise regarding our rights and liberties, as well as what is happening in various areas in Inyo County. We are trying to make sense of what has happened over the past 22 months while learning the proper way of restoring our individual freedoms and the right to choose for ourselves and our families as we maneuver through the current situation.
We have been asking for information. We have been asking for discussion with our local elected officials who are our civil servants. We have been asking for our voices and concerns to be considered and taken seriously, and we wish to be treated with respect as human beings muddling through the whirlwind of events the past 2 years.
We are interested in learning what we can do as citizens to have our voices heard. We have been ignored and scoffed at when we ask for discussion and discourse regarding votes and actions by the various organizations and local governing boards that impact our livelihoods in nearly every aspect of our lives. We have the right to ask for information and justification for the orders and mandates that have shifted the way we live our lives so drastically.
We have the right to disagree with the rules and orders being forced upon us. When we are not heard and are ignored, we feel jilted and disrespected. As free citizens, when our rights are infringed upon and we are forced to change nearly every aspect of the way we live our lives, we must stand up for ourselves, our families, and our communities.
County Councilwoman Jennifer Roeser has been wrongly attacked for speaking with our group, as well as being willing to speak at the Town Hall Meeting. She is one of the only elected officials to genuinely respond to our comments at board meetings, and our many emails and inquiries requesting open discussion, and she graciously accepted our invitation to spend some time with us. She is not a part of our group and only attended one meeting when she was asked to share about the roles of county supervisors. Councilwoman Roeser will be doing the same at the Town Hall Meeting and will be discussing the roles and responsibilities of elected officials. There is no controversy with that.
The Town Hall Meeting on January 15th is taking place at Calvary Baptist Church. Why? Because we need a place that can facilitate a few hundred people of all aspects of life to join us to learn about the laws regarding masks, vaccinations, vaccine passports, mandates, and closures. The fairgrounds were our first choice for the event. Unfortunately, the facility was not available on the dates the primary speaker could travel to Bishop. Several large venues were offered and all were in churches as they have the capacity to accommodate the number of people we hope will attend.
The speaker that was asked to share with us was one of many lawyers and firms our group has reached out to over the past few months to educate us on the ever-changing orders, mandates, rules and laws, as well as our Constitutional Rights and Freedoms. This was the only lawyer and organization that would even talk with us without requiring a rather large retainer. Some legal education is better than none and we appreciate his willingness to talk with us and discuss our questions.
Everyone is welcome to attend our meetings and all are welcome to have a voice at these meetings. We are comprised of individuals who are very faith-based along with people who haven’t attended a church or practiced a ‘faith’ in decades. All political views are appreciated as long as the focus remains on fighting for our rights to maintain our freedom to choose. People have attended our meetings in masks. There are many of us who wear masks in businesses in town. Most of us do not and we support and encourage the rights of both groups to do as they choose without discrimination. While many who attend our meetings are not vaccinated, others are vaccinated and boosted. That is their choice, both vaxxed and unvaxxed.
Do we discuss masks? Yes. Do we discuss vaccinations? Yes. Do we discuss the rights we have as individuals to the autonomy of our own body? Yes. Do we discuss the legal and illegal aspects of the mandates and rules that have forcibly changed, and continue to change, our day to day activities, including but not limited to our employment, our ability to provide for our families, and our children’s health and well-being? Yes. Have we asked on multiple occasions for intellectual discussions with various organizations and civil servants who are imposing these mandates and rules? Yes.
Nothing about Free Eastside has anything to do with anything other than our freedom to choose during this troubling time when our freedoms are being stripped away from us. What others believe and perpetuate is their business and not relevant to us or our reason for meeting. We have diverse personalities and opinions, as does any group of individuals, and we welcome that.
Join us at a meeting. Join us at the Town Hall. Wear masks, be fully vaccinated and boosted if you choose. Do whatever you feel is needed to feel safe. We have no problem with that. Let us each, individually, do what we each feel we need to do in order to stand in our sovereignty. We can find mutual ground to walk on. We can work through this difficult time as a community. We cordially invite all individuals in a leadership capacity to attend. We are grateful to have a venue large enough to invite the public from up and down the Eastside to come to the Town Hall, and we hope our local civil servants will join us.
Rather than jump to conclusions, attacking the group and various individuals who have attended the meetings, please talk with us. There are many who attend our meetings that are more than willing to have an intelligent, rational, and respectful conversation. I have been doxed in the Facebook thread and many have already looked into who I am. Feel free to reach out to speak with me. I stand firmly in my conviction to have the first and foremost say over what happens to my body and in my life, and I stand firmly for your right to do the same. My choice. Your choice. Freedom to Choose.
In summary: * Non-political * Non-religious * Non-discriminatory * Not Anti-Mask *
* Not Anti-Vaccine * Open to Discussion * Freedom to Choose *
Choose Freedom, Not Fear
Kristin Ostly
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When Sierra Wave keeps posting these unsigned, misguided, but oh-so-politely worded opinion pieces it makes me SO GLAD I no longer pay to advertise with them every month anymore. It’s so sad that they bend to the violent tendencies of our right-wing community members. Like Vons and other stores that won’t ask patrons to mask up due to threats of violence. Way to be a mouthpiece for misinformation and keep our community affected with a pandemic that would have been over long ago if not for the freedom fighters whose parents all had them vaccinated when they were children or they couldn’t attend school. I guess not dying of polio has treated them well.
How sad. Used to be that letters-to-the-editor had to be signed by real names. I think comments would be a lot more civilized and restrained if that were the case now. I’m sure most of the people commenting here would not talk this way face to face.
Kristin, thank you for taking the time to post this! SierraWave… thank you for posting this! The event went smoothly and all the untrue postings about hate groups were addressed. It was a peaceful event and great legal information was given. Thank you to all who attended! Those who missed it can listen to it here on SierraWave!
Of course the event went well. It was an echo chamber where you controlled the narrative and discussion or concerns from the other point of view were not allowed. You held a possible super spreader event and you want to be applauded. This was so irresponsible and reckless and those who attended this event unmasked showed true selfishness and disregard for the community. I have no issue with your differences in opinion and seeking out information but your behavior is reckless and unfortunately others may have to suffer the consequences of your recklessness. So please stop patting yourself on the back you could have done this virtually and kept the community safe. But you chose selfishness and recklessness instead.
Bishop resident do you have any hair left on your head? Or did it all burn off? To label this this event a superspreader is ridiculous. Come out of your cave and realize that most of the population doesnt seem to care anymore about the dreaded covid. Tell us how many people have died because of covid versus the flu, which is all this stupid thing is. I’ve had it and I’ve had worse colds….
Again you are part of a loud minority that doesn’t represent most of the community. But if you have some credible information that has been cited and peer reviewed along with your credentials to to show us that you are capable of understanding this information then please share, but in the meantime I’ll take your insults as proof that you have no information to offer and are just a selfish bully who really has no understanding of how dangerous this virus has been for some people.
Whether a loud minority or overwhelming majority, the fact is you chose to complain about this meeting, calling it “reckless”. If that is your criteria, then what about a sporting event, a restaurant or bar? Heck, all you have to do is visit Mammoth Mountain on any given day and go into the lodges. The thousands of wealthy tourists don’t seem too worried. To answer your question -my credible information is because I work at Mammoth, and that is where I got covid.
I “understand” the information because, well, I was born in this country and was given an education back in the 70’s and 80’s and have lived many years on this planet, being aware of the many life threatening, dangerous behaviors that can get one injured or killed along the way. We were told back in the 70’s in grade school not to run with scissors too.
I have learned how disingenuous politicians are on both sides, that they are the definition of hypocrisy, and sadly none of those people in charge are trustworthy, lying is their only job qualification. Is covid dangerous? Yes, it can be to some, I’ll give you that. But so is smoking, diabetes, depression, and now, living in a democrat run state or city. Been to LA lately?
Are non maskers even sick? Who here is really sick? Are vaccinated getting covid? Yes vaccinated are getting covid. New masks are being sent because it’s been proven cloth masks do nothing. And hey climate changers why are so called preventative masks littering our streets. Why don’t I see you picking them up- isn’t that in itself a superspreader?
Man all of this hate is sad
For what my opinion is worth…
I heard PJI/Brad Dacus was going to speak about shot mandates (which I am against but not because I am anti-shots). He’s a lawyer, and I am not. Therefore, I figured he knows more about law than I do, and I might learn something if I shut my piehole and go. Then I found out about the SPLC’s “hate” designation of the group – doesn’t change my previous sentence, but now things have gotten complicated since I am strongly pro-choice on just about everything including gay marriage. After some thought I decided I would always wonder what was said if I didn’t go see for myself, even though I expected that Mr. Dacus would be a colossal jerk. (He may still be, but I didn’t see that at the meeting, and would have no idea about the hate group stuff if I hadn’t heard about it beforehand.)
The positives of the meeting were that Josh Nicholson (sp?) encouraged regular folks to get active and involved in local politics. I think that’s a great message, too many people just cruise along and complain later when the ones participating haven’t done things the way they want! Joe Vetter encouraged people to support law enforcement and gave examples of how he has legally “protected” people who called him asking for help Re: covid issues, even though he and other law enforcers can’t enforce “mandates”. Hmm, also a pretty good message! Our officers of the law have important roles and increasingly tough jobs, for many reasons. Finally, although he may have major demerits previously in his career, and he and I are still light years apart on some of our social views, Mr. Dacus encouraged people to utilize available and LEGAL channels to maintain autonomy over their major medical decisions. I support people being able to choose how they treat their own bodies, so again, good message!?! I especially appreciated that Mr. Dacus gave examples of his own personal losses due to both covid AND the injections – he did this to illustrate that there is no “right side” and “wrong side”; we are all dealing with some very complicated issues these days and some level of risk exists either way. I had hoped that this would make anyone in the audience who had gotten the shots, was wearing a mask, is not a member of Free Eastside, etc. feel more welcome.
My criticisms for the meeting would be that yes, it probably should have been available via Zoom for those who did not want to risk infection by attending in person. Hopefully Free Eastside will make their recording available after the fact on YouTube or something. People have also been upset that a secular “Town Hall” would be held in a church. Yes, they prayed beforehand and quoted scripture, which as an atheist-ish isn’t my favorite thing to sit through, but it didn’t actually hurt me in any way and there were enough chairs for the over 200 people in attendance, so to me it wasn’t THAT big a deal. Where else would they have been able to accommodate a crowd of that size? I can definitely respect other people’s views and I didn’t burst into flames walking through the front the door, so I guess the Big Guy kind of respected mine as well. In retrospect I also should have worn a mask just to see if anyone would have kicked me out for demonstrating that I am not just like everyone else who was there, but I kind of suspect they would have let me stay and been nice to me anyway.
Final Answer: Let’s not get carried away, I’m not about to donate any money to the PJI due to their stance on some of the previous cases they have handled. But I also didn’t hear anyone disparaged at this meeting, nobody’s behavior got out of line, and heck, I actually did accomplish my original goal of learning some things while I was there. So overall I have to say, for a free event featuring some pretty knowledgeable speakers, well done Free Eastside!
Thank you for your insight. Hopefully we will all be able to understand each other better someday. There is a recording of the meeting which Sierra Wave will post.
Heather, I do not know you, but I appreciate you taking the time to give such a thorough picture of the event. Thanks for a great overview.
Heather I am one of the leaders of Free Eastside and I can tell you that we had very good reasons not to stream it live or allow certain folks from the media to record it and deceptively edit it, as has been done in the past. I’m not sure if you saw, but there were probably at least 20 people including most of the media members that I was sitting near and a few elderly people and some others who were wearing masks. They were welcomed warmly by our greeters and I specifically tried to meet and thank everyone as they were leaving the event hall, (I’m sure I didn’t get to everyone, but I tried. I especially went out of my way to thank the media members for coming and so far as the articles I have read, so far outside of the wrong figure of attendees being reported I haven’t seen any biased reporting yet.) I’ve only read one article though so we shall see. Thank you for coming with an open mind and giving Brad and us a chance. You engaged in the marketplace of ideas, you don’t have to agree with everything we do or say, I certainly don’t agree with everything you said in your comment, re: about God and such, isn’t it great though to be able to talk about it though? Thanks for your comment. Hoping mire people adopt your stance.
It sounds like you went out of your way to attempt to infect everyone who attended, graciously reaching out to masked people with your unmasked and potentially lethal self. The effort you and your crew are taking to spam this venue with your feeble efforts at relevance are such a jolly parade imbecilage . . .
Thank you Heather for a thoughtful and reasonable comment on this meeting. I appreciate hearing from others who may have differing views on issues, who don’t jump to negative conclusions before finding out who people are for themselves. I too, learned some things from the speakers, and that was the whole intent of the meeting in the first place!! Sierra Wave will be airing some actual footage of the meeting without bias, which I am looking forward to hearing as well.
Here’s a question inyo county has a lawyer on the payroll why hasn’t he spoken up an tell us what’s going on
I don’t like speed limits on roads and highways. Speed limits infringe on my freedom to drive the way I want to. I know, I know, some say speed limits are for our common safety. But if you don’t like the speed at which I drive, just get out of my way. Don’t infringe on my freedom to drive at any speed I want. You are just trying to deny my freedom.
Choose freedom…not fear!!!
Then there are comments like this from Dark Watcher. Who is clearly deranged and cannot think coherently.
Hey Dark, I get your point that freedom includes the responsibility to behave in a civilized manner and is limited by the needs of others in our society. Unfortunately, your message is too subtle for folks who think their freedumb trumps other people’s rights.
What is everyone afraid of? It’s a discussion.
Yes…open discussion IS FREE SPEECH!
Americans supporting Americans!
Shame on you Sierrawave! Since when has someone’s antivax rant on Facebook become newsworthy.
Sierrawave has published opinion pieces as long as I’ve been following them. We can disagree with a person’s opinions without questioning their right to express them. Maybe exposing ourselves to different viewpoints is a good thing.
Agree 100% Our right to our opinions …THAT IS WHAT FREE SPEECH IS! Thank you Sierra Wave for opening the airwaves to different viewpoints! YOU ROCK!,
There’s been plenty of pro vax rants on this site, did you shame SW then too, or do you only choose to silence those who don’t agree with you?
Yes Listen to all information…don’t shame those you don’t agree with! CHOOSE FREEDOM
Try having a thoughtful conversation with a 4 year old or just bang your head against the wall. It would be better just to take a deep breath and enjoy life. When there is nothing left but smoke and ash what will matter most is how much love was in our lives. Come on, get the party started. Please quit abusing the American flag. There are specific protocols for displaying our flag .At least get that right.
Many thanks to Sierra Wave Radio and Mc and Bill Snyder for covering our Town Hall meeting…. THE TRUTH WILL SET US FREE!
If this had actually been a true “Town Hall” public meeting, it could have been done so people could attend, and comment, via internet. We do it all the time, works great – especially for people who don’t want to be sitting in an enclosed area with people who may not be vaccinated and/or masked during a pandemic.
The words in Kristin Ostly’s press release are the same conversation put out by anti-vaxxs and anti-maskers the past couple of years. Common ground is not to be found with people who will not take basic steps toward solution…..which are vaccinating and masking. Freedom and autonomy are for all of us , and there’s a whole helluva lot of us who will not accept living with covid as a norm.
Really want “common ground” and “solution”…..get vaccinated, mask in enclosed places where other people are present – and then we might talk.
@ Pam You have just proven to everyone that you don’t follow science or current facts. Your “solution” of vaccination doesn’t stop you from getting and spreading COVID any better than an unvaccinated person! And that’s facts from CDC, NIH and WHO in addition to what many countries are experiencing. The vaccine does NOT stop you from getting COVID or spreading it…facts, wake up!
Albert, If you go here: https://www.inyocounty.us/covid-19/data-resources
there are several power point presentations put together by Inyo County, that proves your statement #2 above is incorrect. Vaccination protects against Covid better than being unvaccinated. Being vaccinated + boosted protects against Covid significantly than being unvaccinated. There is not data on spread. All facts based on the testing done by Inyo County as well as NIH/RHC.
Albert- Are you a member of a religion that frowns on lying? Does it excuse willful ignorance? Either you are in such a media bubble that you don’t think vaccination effects infection rates; you are lying about people claiming the vaccine means you can’t catch and spread it (I haven’t seen anyone argue that it does, just straw man arguments of people pretending their opponents made that claim); of just every single word is a lie. Which is it? If you’re not vaccinated, you definitely have a higher risk of death (that’s facts from CDC, NIH, and WHO), so perhaps you better get your story straight.
That sounds like you are leaving no room for discussion. The fact that people would have to get vaccinated and were a mask to be able to discuss a topic is wrong. Do you take in to account people with health issues that doesn’t allow them to get vaccinated? Are you even asking if that’s why people are choosing not to?
Pam, you seem to be the close minded, anti science, cult member we are talking about thanks for popping up and making yourself known.
clip from one of your earlier posts “It looks like doxxing people you disagree with. It looks like making threats.” so what are you insinuating with “thanks for popping up and making yourself known.”
Thought you’d like to know, this morning I was at Von’s and saw several people shopping not wearing masks. I asked one of the managers if Von’s still had a mask policy and he said yes but due to the high level of violence shown by unmasked customers all employees were told not to say anything to the unmasked customers.
@choosefreedomnotfear.Seems to me that you only have to offer insults and tantrums. Your behavior makes you and the entire free eastside look like a bunch of sefish brats. I see nothing in your arguments that shows any compassion for anyone except yourselves. Now you bring religion into our as an excuse. So now religion is an excuse for selfishness and insulting others that have genuine concerns during a pandemic. What happened to empathy orc is that only reserved for your echo chamber? Its is clear that you don’t have any credible evidence to backup your arguments so you resort to insults. That’s generally what unintelligent people do who have no credible argument.. You say that you are not part of a hate group but you have spewed hate throughout this feed including disparaging remarks towards the LBGTQ community while claiming that your are one of the leaders of free eastside. So you have proven that those who were concerned about the hate tone of this speakers organization were valid.
If you have something intelligent and credible to offer then provide the evidence with citations so that we can check its validity along with your credentials so that we know that you trust understand what you are sharing. What we will probably find out is that you are not qualified to do your own research. So please grow up and let the experts do their job because your behavior is literally killing people and discrediting your group and religion in general.
Pam, your “basic steps toward solution” seem to be “Do what I say”, regardless of personal choice. Just because you think everyone should be vaccinated and masked, there is just as much science and data opposing that view as what you believe in. Maybe, look outside the mainstream media box. You just don’t seem to understand the “Freedom to choose” aspect of this whole discussion, masks have proven not to work as originally intended, and the vaccine does not prevent people from getting Covid or spreading it, get vaccinated if you want to, if it makes you feel safer personally, but stop being so divisive.
Hi Kelli, can you share the equivocal science and data that you are referring to? Seems like whenever I ask someone to share the opposing data, they always hand me a print-out with a link to Tucker Carlson. I’ve yet to have someone actually provide citations of clinically based, randomized controlled studies, that have been peer-reviewed and published in a scientific journal, to support these opposing views. I’m not talking just one or two articles, there should be a relatively equivalent number of studies with negative outcomes (e.g, showing that masks and vaccines on whole don’t provide protection) as there are ones that do. Thanks !
Choose Freedom to be as stupid as you want to be. Misplaced patriotism, disrespecting the American flag by improper displaying of it. The decline of human civilization. The Empire is burning. Ignore the whiners.
Again another Branch Covidian cult member.
“Please stop saying you trust in me. I don’t work well with trust. I thrive among questions and when you stop asking, I CEASE TO EXIST. Please do your research and realize that I change and have changed over the years. Blindly following today what may change tomorrow only shows that YOU don’t understand the science.”
Thanks,
The Science
@Kay Kramer What does a raise have to do with science? Science is not listening to the View or CNN or MSNBC. It’s reading the true science presented in studies and journals. And guess what? Your experimental vaccine and booster will not stop you from getting and spreading COVID-19 – and that’s straight from Fauci, Rachel Walensky (CDC), WHO and many, many others. Just look at the news and you will see all the cases of the vaccinated and boosted getting COVID-19, Show a study that can prove vaccines stop you from getting COVID, stops a vaccinated person from spreading it (as the viral loading is the same if not more in the vaccinated), or that it reduces symptomatic disease, hospitalization or death. You can’t, they don’t exist. I guess the bubble of blind fake science you live in will continue to lead you to believe that Pfizer and J&J and Moderna have never made a product that injured people! It’s easy do your own homework and I encourage you to do so – in fact it’s important that you do so rather than attack and censor. Verify what you hear and go one step beyond the startup screen of your web browser and use some critical thinking! There are lots of unanswered questions on this pandemic and vaccines, and censorship, coercion and force is not the way to handle it!
NIH was coerced into giving 12% raises to ALL nursing staff, by the nursing union. Including those who are crying about having to work according to the rules of the institution and the institution that pays their wages. So, I’m guessing she happily took this raise, but somehow is having trouble understanding her job comes with responsibilities. She had to either get or prove she’d had vaccinations to get into nursing school, and be hired in a hospital. If she doesn’t like the requirements of the job, leave and find another job. It’s that simple. You, Albert, spent a lot of time insulting me, but you don’t know anything about me or my scientific, research, or medical background. And guess what: I’ve never said that vaccines or masks were 100% effective. Show me where I’ve said that. There is no vaccine that is 100% effective against the disease it is intended to work against. Vaccine mandates have been around a long time, but it’s interesting to me that the “Choose Freedom Not Fear” group has suddenly cropped up and chosen Covid as their cause.
No one claims the vaccine keeps you from getting Covid. It’s all about lowering odds. You keep pretending that’s the claim you’re fighting against, but it is a lie that anyone has ever claimed otherwise. My kid got a Chicken Pox vaccine. And got chicken pox… as a could of red spots that never opened into sores. No one with the slightest interest is claiming that any of the vaccines are 100% effective at keeping it from spreading. The idea is to prevent deaths. That’s what you are fighting.
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What I am reading is that we have a lawyer giving up his time (free of charge) to come and give information to concerned citizens of this county. If those of you with the negative thoughts and comments are against this, then don’t participate and please put up the $10k retainer fee on another lawyer to come up and provide information.
So, you’d be in favor of a free speaker if they were from the Satanic Temple?
Yes, if they were providing facts and answering questions about the law and my rights as an American citizen. Again, it would my freedom of choice to listen and participate or not, and to and go about my business as I choose.
I wouldn’t go listen to the drivel coming out of his mouth, but yes he has the right. In fact, I have listened to Satanists outside of Abortion clinics in West LA, in Hemet, CA, in San Francisco, in Colorado Springs they aren’t usually very intelligent. Kinda boring too unless they start talking backwards, that takes some talent.
Listen to Brad Dacus’ on Sierra Wave Radio this week…PACIFIC JUSTICE INSTITUTE HELPS EVERYONE WITHOUT CHARGE REGARDLESS OF YOUR OPINIONS, VIEWPOINTS, OR POLITICAL AFFILIATION !
So they would help a transgender child defend their rights at school and protect them from discrimination and harassment?
Why not call PJI and ask them that? If you have questions, go to the source. More than likely, they have had this type of inquiry before and are willing to provide you with an answer.
Jackson
So a “lawyer” is supposed to be an “expert”..
And “free of charge” ?…I’m highly doubting that.
The trial I’m watching on T.V. right now says it all about lawyers.
Defending a 23 year old man with a ton of evidence against him (not a child,as he’s trying to press onto the jury) that killed his Parents,cutting them up with a saw and and bolt-cutters,spreading their body parts in his girlfriend’s parents yard,and his “lawyer” have a motion to dismiss all charges against him because he caught COVID last week.
Very beautifully stated. I am so excited to hear from Mr Dacus about our rights and liberties when it comes to the overreach of our government using this “plandemic” to infringe our freedoms.
It is very clear, from the last two years, that our freedoms are infringed upon by those who insist on spreading covid.
Thank you for this . We should all have the choice to make our own health decisions. I have friends, family and acquaintances who are double vaccinated and are still catching and spreading covid . And yes, a few have died. I know and have read of several people having adverse reactions to these vaccines that Pfizer wants to take 75 years before they tell you what’s in it. I respect and love all of my friends and family members, who are vaccinated and I respect their decision, but not everyone should or wants to be vaccinated. My husband’s cousin died of myocarditis after getting vaccinated. He was healthy and in his early 50’s . For those saying we’re not trusting science, take a look ( if it’s not censored) on what Dr Robert Malone , invented of mRNA technology is saying about the vaccines and Dr. Michael Yeadon, former Vice President of Pfizer is saying. There are many , many other scientists, virologist and doctors who agree with them . Science doesn’t promote censorship, science doesn’t hide facts, science doesn’t gaslight those who disagree, science should be questioned. No one is better than anyone else, it’s a very personal decision. Be very careful of allowing your freedoms to be stripped away. One day it may be one of your freedoms that is threatened that you don’t agree with losing. It would be wonderful if everyone could actually listen to each other, so both sides to better understand each other.
Wait, I thought the Free Eastside group supported individual rights and freedoms granted under the constitution ? That’s what Ms. Ostly’s letter implies. Is this incorrect ?
Yes, you are correct. The Free Eastside group supports individual rights and freedoms granted under the Constitution.
Freedoms are not granted by the constitution they are god given or natural rights. The constitution is simply a document designed to declare these natural/god given rights and make sure our government doesn’t violate them. Which by the way the government has done many times because it is a criminal organization.
So you support a woman’s right to choose what is right for her own body?
Your self-proclaimed “leader” protests at abortion clinics.
For those that gave the “dislike” on my post above, I’m curious what you don’t like about what I wrote? Is it the fact that I know people who are vaccinated that are sick with covid right now? Is it that some of my friends that were vaccinated have died? Is it because my husband’s cousin died from myocarditis after getting the shot? Is it that Pfizer wants 75 years before they want to tell you what’s in their shot? Is it the Drs I listed that are warning people about the shot? Is it the part where I said I hope we can all learn to understand each other and be respectful? Many people I have talked to that have been affected or know someone who
was affected by the vaccine are getting ignored, gaslighted and bullied. They tried to do what they thought was right for them and their loved ones. Now, some of those people are dead or injured permanently. Where’s the compassion for your fellow men and women who did get the shot and this happened to them? They are treated like an enemy if they try to speak out about their experiences and injuries . What I find so ironic is that many of the people accusing others of being a hate group, are the ones who are actually acting hateful. You should care and be concerned or at least compassionate when people are losing loved ones, on both sides! So maybe look in the mirror and think about what being understanding, tolerant and compassionate really is . I have autoimmune issues and getting the shot scares the hell out of me , especially after the side affects I have seen . Look up “Real not Rare”. Last thing to think about, if your vaccine works, then what are you worried about? If it doesn’t, then me getting it will not save you . . Don’t tell me it keeps you from dying because I personally know double vaccinated people who got covid and died. I care about those people. Look at Open VAERS. Com if you’re curious about CDC statistics. Almost 22 thousand deaths so far as of January 7 from the shots. More deaths from a “vaccine” in all of the vaccines in history combined. Millions injured . And according to VAERS , this is only reported at about 1%. Many are not even reported. So do what you want and think what you want, but I hope you or one of your loved ones are never affected by death or injuries from getting an unknown substance injected into your body.
Well, I down voted your post because you are either ignorant, repeating the hogwash you’ve heard from someone else or you are lying – and I’ll include an “all of the above”. The ingredients of the vaccinations are available: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/different-vaccines/Pfizer-BioNTech.html
And VAERS does not state that 22 thousand people have died. Perhaps you lied in order to access data so you could misuse it ’cause ya see – you are supposed to read and agree to the disclaimer before you can access the numbers. Or maybe you never saw the numbers you are claiming. Or you didn’t have a clue how to use the database. Here is part of what you should have read and understood in order to honestly check the little box:
“While very important in monitoring vaccine safety, VAERS reports alone cannot be used to determine if a vaccine caused or contributed to an adverse event or illness. The reports may contain information that is incomplete, inaccurate, coincidental, or unverifiable. In large part, reports to VAERS are voluntary, which means they are subject to biases. This creates specific limitations on how the data can be used scientifically. Data from VAERS reports should always be interpreted with these limitations in mind.”
In light of your ignorance and/or dishonesty that I have revealed above I seriously doubt that “some” (a laughably vague quantifier – you mean you can’t even count how many of your friends have died in the past year?) of your vaccinated friends have died but if I am incorrect I am sorry for you loss(es)
You just proved my point, hateful name calling and insulting person who’s too afraid to post their real name. I didn’t lie and I’m not ignorant . Just because you have not seen the court ruling that shot down Pfizer’s request to wait 75 years to explain if it’s safe and effective doesn’t make me ignorant, but it does make you look uneducated and foolish . https://news.bloomberglaw.com/health-law-and-business/why-a-judge-ordered-fda-to-release-covid-19-vaccine-data-pronto Court ordered they have to be transparent this year, not in approximately 2096 . And if you go to https://openvaers.com/ There’s my correct numbers I mentioned earlier from the cdc open VAERS website. . As far as friends/family that have died, that’s true too and there are many more deaths and injuries all over the world you can find by looking at Real not Rare, but I get the feeling your so far in your self righteous bubble that you don’t want to actually research or know the truth. Go get another booster ?
https://www.realnotrare.com/
Please find a credible site to source for you information. By using sources like this you have discredited any arguments you have made in this thread.
Norma Brady
With your reasoning,let’s repeal the seat belt law set back in the 70’s.
Is that a “freedom and rights ” violation brought on by the Government,or was it because of stupid people with not enough sense to do it on their own,or maybe a danger to others,if losing control of the vehicle and instead of being in the drivers seat able to control a spin you’re in the back seat or out of the door instead maybe crashing into others.
And maybe check into your “rights” while driving a vehicle while intoxicated.
Is that a “right”, by doing so putting yourself in danger as well as others.
Should the rest of us sober drivers just “stay home” and off the road if we’re “scared” ?
Same kinda thing when you think much about it.
But back then,when those laws were made up long ago,people had the sense to go along with what’s best for themselves,as well as show courtesy and safety to others without about 30 % of the whiners in America whining about doing it.
We’ll thank you for at least not calling me names or being rude. I agree and it’s a proven fact that seatbelts save lives , but it is not a proven fact that these “vaccines” work or save lives . People who are vaccinated are still getting covid and spreading it . I’m not an anti-vax person , but past vaccines have taken 10 years or more . And when have you ever heard of still getting polio after three polio vaccines? Plus needing more boosters ? A seatbelt is not an unknown experiment. This shot was thrown together by Trump and his team in about 9 months . I truly have seen many side affects caused by this and it’s scary . If it actually worked and hadn’t killed and injured more people than all other vaccines in history combined, I’d seriously consider doing it. I respect and believe in your right to chose what you put in your body, but I have that right also .
The last documented case of WPV-associated paralysis in a US resident traveling abroad occurred in 1986 in a 29-year-old vaccinated adult who had been traveling in South and Southeast Asia. A Polio booster is recommended if you plan to travel to a polio-virus affected or endemic region.
I’m so sorry to hear that you have had to walk through the experience of having friends die or have adverse reactions! I’m sure that is heartbreaking! If you’ve not read or listened to Dr. Peter McCullough, you should add him to your list.
Thank you! i appreciate that and I listen to him and Dr Robert Malone ( inventor of mRNA technology and Dr Michael Yeadon, (Former Vice President of Pfizer) along with others who are trying to warn people about these “vaccines “. If only people would start researching for themselves . Thanks again for your kindness
Norma, What has/have been the source(s) of your research ? Robert Malone is not the “inventor” of mRNA Technology. He is one of over 14 scientists that together were involved in the research development that helped to frame this technology. There are only 3 articles in which he is listed as an author or contributor related to this, and only one of those for which he was the lead author. He’s an egoist. Here are the peer reviewed articles.
Cationic liposome-mediated RNA transfection
R W Malone 1, P L Felgner, I M Verma
Proc Natl Acad Sci U S A
. 1989 Aug;86(16):6077-81. doi: 10.1073/pnas.86.16.6077.
Toxicity of cationic lipid-ribozyme complexes in human prostate tumor cells can mimic ribozyme activity.
Freedland SJ, Malone RW, Borchers HM, Zadourian Z, Malone JG, Bennett MJ, Nantz MH, Li JH, Gumerlock PH, Erickson KL.
Biochem Mol Med. 1996 Dec;59(2):144-53. doi: 10.1006/bmme.1996.0080.
Specific inhibition of macrophage TNF-alpha expression by in vivo ribozyme treatment.
Kisich KO, Malone RW, Feldstein PA, Erickson KL.
J Immunol. 1999 Aug 15;163(4):2008-16.
He was listed and on Wikipedia as the inventor with a patent, but because he’s trying to warn people, big tech censored and they removed this fact from Wikipedia to try to discredit him. Fortunately, it’s still in the archives . They also banned him from Twitter and YouTube, so he could not get his information out. Anyone who disagrees with big pharma , gets censored or cancelled . At this point, I’m tired of of this discussion and am not going to argue or engage further, ,but I’ll leave you with this , you can research further into it if you like. Google is part of the big tech censorship, so you may want to try other sources . It doesn’t matter to me what you do with your body, that’s the beauty of our Freedom. We all deserve to make our own decisions and we all deserve to not be banned or cancelled for disagreeing . This is still America. Here’s some info. .
July 5, 2021 – Information about the inventor of the mRNA technology used in certain COVID-19 vaccines was removed from the online encyclopedia site Wikipedia after he publicly warned against giving the experimental gene therapy vaccines to young people and that there was insufficient information about the injections to give informed consent.
Dr. Robert Malone, M.D., M.S., discovered RNA transfection and, while he was at the Salk Institute in San Diego in 1988, invented mRNA vaccines. His research was continued the next year at Vical, and between 1988 and 1989, Malone wrote the patent disclosures for mRNA vaccines.
So are you saying that public heath decisions should be made based on conspiracy theory information you found on Wikipedia. Do you understand what goes into scientific research or are you just recycling what you saw on Facebook. While you are able to make decisions for you you are not qualified to understand the complexity of this research and how data is obtained so please stop. Stop with the conspiracy theories and propaganda that fits your political agenda. You have basically discredited yourself and the entire free eastside with this discussion. We get it. You are being selfish and don’t want to wear a mask and you will use whatever misinformation or out of context information that helps you meet that agenda. You and this group want the optics of caring and being smarter then the experts but I have yet to see anything credible come out of this group. I haven’t heard anything in any public discussion that has credibility. It’s all been misinformation or information taken out of context. So since you have all proven that you are unqualified and out of your league this one please stop. People are dying your misinformation and conspiracy theories are only leading people to further suffering.
Bishop resident
The conspiracy theories seeming to get crazier than ever,like many are saying,harder and harder to feel sorry for those that rant and rave with them,and then get sick.
Yesterday while shopping in Bishop,at the entrance at the S and F market,there was a guy having a full blown conversation against masking….with what I’d guess a 2 year old baby sitting in the shopping cart,not with the Mother pushing the cart wearing a mask,but with the baby, praising him for not wearing a mask.
You could tell the Mom just wanted to get inside the store and shop,but I bet when he started bashing President Biden…talking to the child…she either wanted to laugh or argue with the clown.
Wikipedia. Of course.
I’m also wondering if there is some kind of relationship between Robert Malone’s “anti-vax” stance, and his current outspoken track, and the fact that he is (or was) involved in “FastVax Consortium” proposing methods of rapid DNA-based vaccine development, that perhaps didn’t pan out – jealous ? angry ? resentful ?
Hum Vaccin Immunother. 2013 Sep;9(9):1877-84. doi: 10.4161/hv.25611. Epub 2013 Jul 22. Making vaccines “on demand”: a potential solution for emerging pathogens and biodefense?
Anne S De Groot 1, Leo Einck, Leonard Moise, Michael Chambers, John Ballantyne, Robert W Malone, Matthew Ardito, William Martin
I don’t see why Sierra Wave is giving this group a platform. Ridiculous!
It’s called America . It’s called Freedom of Speech. In America not everyone has to have the same opinion, that’s the beauty of it and we’d like to keep it that way .
Freedom of Speech means that the government can’t take away your speech. Not that businesses and churches need to give a voice to their BS. Nor that people can’t think less of those who would attend such a thing.
You’re entitled to think whatever you like , again, freedom . My idea of freedom is that we might not agree but we’re free to say and think what we like. That includes others who don’t agree with your idea of what BS is. You don’t get to pick who can speak and gather or what people can say or think. Open minded, tolerant people are ok with that .
245 people came to hear a message of truth and hope…it was everyones freedom of choice NOT TO ATTEND THE TOWN HALL…it is everyones FREE SPEECH to call it BS…it is everyones FREEDOM to come listen to information provided about what our Constitutional Rights to choose freedom is really all about!THANK YOU SIERRA WAVE!
Ok, well lets have a little Constitutional minute here. Hopefully you wont continue in ignorance. The First Amendment guarantees these five rights that come from God not government.
1. Freedom of speech.
2. Freedom of religion, restricts the government from making a state religion.
3. Freedom of the press.
4. Freedom to Assemble
5. Freedom to seek redress of grievances from the government.
Then there is the 2nd Amendment that guarantees the 1st. It protectsThe first can be restricted, the 2nd, as per the Constitution cannot be infringed. That is it. Your Constitutional minute. Hope you learned something. Maybe you can answer your own question now.
If those rights actually came from God, wouldn’t they be universal? Or are you asserting that God’s power is limited to some countries?
Though I do believe it would take you a full minute to read this misinformation.
I’m pretty sure you’re wrong. Unless of course you’re Roy Moore, then you’re still wrong. Nowhere in the U.S. Constitution nor the Bill of Rights (which you are presumably referencing here) is there a statement that these rights are given to you by “a god.” While your friend Kristin cites the Declaration of Independence, which does invoke rights given by “God” you shouldn’t blur the lines between that, the U.S. Constitution, and the Bill of Rights.
MY Guess IS Sierra Wave believes in FREE SPEECH …
For almost two weeks I’ve read disparaging remarks, libelous statements, and I cannot count how many “hateful” comments on certain people’s Facebook pages, in the Inyo Register and elsewhere.
I know what hate looks like. I’ve seen it levied at good people, churches and businesses in our community for two weeks. It looks like shouting people you disagree with down. It looks like vandalizing property. It looks like doxxing people you disagree with. It looks like making threats.
It does not look like having conversations, asking questions respectfully, listening to someone who has a different opinion than you, turning the other cheek and after all of the hate and vitriol has been spewed and all of your friends and neighbors and church family have been disparaged and lied about, you continue to have a respectful conversation with the people who are guilty of it, if they have the guts to show up and the civility to listen to a viewpoint other than their own. Not likely but we shall see tonight. If you are interested in being civil, I invite you to come otherwise you are welcome to stay in your echo chamber it suits you better anyways. Choosing Freedom over irrational fear every second of every day.
You mean like the school board meeting where the anti mask contingent shouted down anybody that spoke in favor of science? This is being repeated all over the country, there are crazies on both sides but I’m curious, where were you after the school board meeting?
I was in Spokane WA. Read my comment to Kay.
Were you at that August school board meeting? Have you been to EVERY school board meeting in the past 6 months? THE CHOOSE FREEDOM GROUP HAS BEEN THERE MONTHLY!!! The local school district has received $4.5 Mil in government Covid cash to enforce mandates….180 parents were there to voice their concerns, facts and data regarding the harmful side effects of long term mask wearing for their children…NO ONE WAS LISTENING TO OUR PLEAS FOR FREEDOM OF CHOICE TO MASK OR NOT TO MASK OUR OWN CHILDREN…the school district is still receiving monies from the feds to enforce these Covid mandates….yes we booed when we disagreed…it was another form of FREEDOM OF SPEECH!! WE WILL KEEP BOOING LOUDLY UNTIL OUR SCHOOL BOARD LISTENS !!
Freedom of speech does not imply any one has to listen to you.
Local businesses in Bishop and Mammoth were able to get Covid-relief PPP loans, from our government, intended to help maintain payroll for their employees, due to the impacts of the 2020 Covid lockdowns and mask mandates For many of these entities, these loans were forgiven. Yet, some of these businesses and churches blatantly ignored the 2020 lockdowns, masking mandates and social distancing, and, they still do, in fact. Some of these folks and church members, are members of Free Eastside. So, how do you criticize the school district, when, by a simple evaluation of behaviors, it would appear that individuals and businesses that were not affected by mandates due to refusal to participate, took thousands of dollars from the government ? I think you should probably evaluate your own peers, before you bash the school district. The PPP loans are public information, and can be viewed at:
https://www.federalpay.org/paycheck-protection-program
Easiest search is by state and zip. You can narrow your search relative to type of business by using the drop down on the right.
If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them.
In this formulation, I do not imply, for instance, that we should always suppress the utterance of intolerant philosophies; as long as we can counter them by rational argument and keep them in check by public opinion, suppression would certainly be most unwise.
But we should claim the right to suppress them if necessary even by force; for it may easily turn out that they are not prepared to meet us on the level of rational argument, but begin by denouncing all argument; they may forbid their followers to listen to rational argument, because it is deceptive, and teach them to answer arguments by the use of their fists or pistols.
We should therefore claim, in the name of tolerance, the right not to tolerate the intolerant.
We should claim that any movement preaching intolerance places itself outside the law and we should consider incitement to intolerance and persecution as criminal, in the same way as we should consider incitement to murder, or to kidnapping, or to the revival of the slave trade, as criminal.
-Karl Popper
I’m wondering if you happened to have these conversations with the protesters who were at the vaccine clinics being held at the Fairgrounds back in the Fall ? Most of them were holding “Choose Freedom not Fear” signs, and yelling at people peacefully waiting in line to get their vaccinations, making THEIR choice about THEIR healthcare, and that of their children. Have you had any peaceful conversations with the protesters at the school board meeting who were yelling and disrupting NIH Chief Medical Officer Dr. Engblade and the Pediatricians trying to speak about the importance of mask wearing to try to keep kids in school. These professionals had the guts to show up but the “freedom-fighters” didn’t have the civility to listen or respect them. Yelling and incivility hiding behind your signs used to be your schtick. What changed?
I’d love for you to provide proof of these allegations because I have been to some of those events and saw nothing of the sort. I do know of one emotional outburst at the most recent school board meeting. I was not in town when it happened, but I have spoken to the person involved and although I agree whole heartedly with what she said, I advised her that it probably wasn’t an effective way to communicate our position. I have seen nothing like that from our opposition. I’ve seen exactly the opposite in fact. My property has been vandalized, my family has been doxxed including my 3 minor children. I’ve been threatened and worst of all our elected representatives and school board members have hid behind Zoom to avoid answering questions that many of their constituents have. It is understandable why we might be frustrated the way we’ve been dismissed at every turn.
I’d love for you to provide proof of your allegations. Were you at the vaccination events at the Fairgrounds ? why ?
Yes …I was there with 6 other patriots…from 8:30am to noon? Where were you during that time! We spoke freely and one on one with very few people who CHOSE to engage us in conversation & debate….and we did exchange many ideas and words…FREE SPEECH IN ACTION AT THE VAX CLINC!
I was in the first group getting the booster and when I walked out you were very restrained, signs down next to your bodies. My first thought was that’s interesting, and then I saw the highway patrolman sitting in his car watching the protesters from about 50 feet away, hmmm. I did have a question for you but didn’t feel like sticking around so I’ll ask it now. Considering the majority getting the shot that day had gotten the first two shots as soon as possible and the booster on the first day available. What was your objective? I do believe that the majority of the people coming out were shaking their heads and smiling and what they were thinking was not complimentary towards the protesters.
so, protesting.
What is a patriot? Is it unpatriotic to be vaccinated? If I take COVID seriously, does that mean I don’t love my Country? Is that what you’re implying?
Our elected officials are NOT LISTENING to their constituents…listening is a form of FREE SPEECH!!! Sometimes you have to yell to be heard….that’s freedom! Anyway… yelling is better than vandalizing , doxxing & social media bullying….I WILL CONTINUE TO YELL FOR THE FREEDOM TO CHOOSE !!!!
So you are saying that much like a spoiled child of your aren’t getting your way you are allowed do whatever you want until you get your way. So it’s appropriate got for you to harass public health work workers, spread misinformation and yell at people you don’t agree with? The reality is that you are part of a loud obnoxious minority in this committee and our elected officials are here to represent all residents. They are asked to be the adults in the room and listen to the experts. Every week they are attacked by your group who come with personal attacks and misinformation and eventhough they know your rhetoric is dangerous you are given the opportunity to voice your opinions every week. So you have free speech and that hasn’t been denied what you dungy have is credibility because most reasonable people know you are just peddling BS and throwing tantrums
wait, why are you yelling at your own teammate ?
Last I checked – the majority of Inyo County residents are vaccinated, so the Supes are listening to their constituents, even if their constituents aren’t yelling at them…
The other day I decided to read the Inyo County Supervisors’ Meetings Minutes over the past several months, which actually does prove your elected officials are listening to you. These excerpts provide details on who the participants are at their meetings, and what those participants have said, including those members of Free Eastside. I’d encourage everyone to go to the Inyo County Website and read the minutes, specifically those sections related to Covid-19. It certainly helped me to have a better understanding of the Free Eastside group and its mission.
I was part of that group…WE DID NOT YELL AT ANYONE…we were attempting to say…EDUCATE BEFORE YOU VACCINATE…we had prints outs of vax adverse effects for all to take and read before receiving their jab… I WAS THERE AND WE WERE NOT PROTESTING! Where were you?
So according to your previous comment you were yelling but now you weren’t yelling but booing loudly and that’s okay because it’s not protesting but Choose Freedom Over Fear says that only one person raised their voice but I heard lot’s of people booing and shouting people down but that’s okay because it’s not protesting and anyway it never happened and I have to yell but not protest because I’m not getting my way and even though a large majority of the people disagree and have been vaccinated that’s just so not right because it has to be my wayyyyy. WOW, I’m feeling really dizzy, can’t decide if it’s all the writing without punctuation or these people can’t get their stories straight.
You can’t even stop yelling at your own computer. Y’all were yelling; also, handing out misinformation in an attempt to dissuade people from pursuing their freedom of choice, is the definition of protesting.
“You can’t even stop yelling at your own computer. ” omg hilarious lol
Forget the mandates…all we need is for insurance companies (and all of the government funded health plans that many anti-mask/vaccine folks take full advantage of, despite their claims of fearing “socialism “) to refuse to cover the cost of unvaccinated illness. Problem solved. Pandemic over.
Yeah that’s the spirit! Let’s load them all on trains and send them off to camps too. These unwashed masses that are not part of the master vaccinated race need to removed. Heil Fauci
What about other illnesses that cause death and high insurance payments caused from obesity, smoking, alcohol and drugs? CDC admits that over 75% of people who died from
covid had at least four comorbidities . If you’re going to say health insurance should be denied, do people who willing choose to live unhealthy lifestyles fit in your category? Because there’s more death and money tied into those issues than unvaccinated people.
The CDC did not say what you say they said. The 75% with co-morbidities pertains to those who have died from Covid after vaccination. https://healthfeedback.org/claimreview/cdc-directors-75-percent-covid-19-deaths-among-people-with-comorbidities-applies-to-vaccinated-people/
Didn’t answer my question. Hopefully you understand it . Are you super fit? Do you work out regularly, do you smoke, do you drink too much ? Do you eat crap and processed foods ? If so, should you have insurance for willfully living an unhealthy lifestyle when it catches up with you? That was the question. Numbers thinks unvaccinated should be denied health care.
Norma, Covid is debilitating our healthcare systems AGAIN, nationwide, and globally. In a mass casualty situation, such as 9-1-1, those injured were triaged for continued care and management based on likelihood of survival due to their acute injuries. The same discussions related to covid vaccinated vs not vaccinated are being had now, in the hardest hit areas nationwide. Does the healthcare system need to start triaging care based on who is most likely to survive so that those people can get care ? We already have documented cases of people who needed acute care who did not have covid, dying because they couldn’t get care due to covid cases in hospital, most of whom were unvaccinated. Where’s your compassion for these patients?
Yes correct, I meant to say ….got covid….and died. The point is… CDC is saying people who are over weight and or having underlying conditions are much more likely to have complications or die from covid. Numbers said unvaccinated should be denied health care . My question is , if you make a choice to live unhealthy should you also be denied health care? 98% that get covid , recover just fine, if people are truly worried and live in fear about a virus , you should be concerned about what makes you susceptible to getting sick in the first place . If you’re obese and or drinking, smoking and eating crap, just getting a shot doesn’t make you healthy. It’s too bad more emphasis isn’t pushed by CDC and big pharma that promotes health. Then there truly would be a lot less people dying or in the hospital for various reasons . Being sick keeps them rich, so instead , they knowingly put out a statement like that , but also you see offers of “free donuts “ and “”free fries” if you get vaccinated. No one should be denied health care.
Norma, you’re right, nobody should be denied health care. Unfortunately, health care is not a constitutional right that has been granted in our country. And simply having insurance also does not give you the right to access healthcare.
If there was a vaccine that made me drink, smoke and bacon less I would take it!
I have no doubt you would . So it sounds like you may not be the most fit and healthy person eh? Should you be denied health care like you say others should? Make it make sense
Thank you mono resident, such a little word “only” with such a big meaning. For those who don’t wish to go to the link Norma’s comment applies ONLY to the vaccinated, unvaccinated….not so much.
Wow, it seems like there are several previous posts about this meeting throwing shade at these people, and I can’t understand why. They are merely trying to defend their rights as US citizens, the same ones that all of us have.
We all have our own opinions and political beliefs, yet it seems as though this group is now labeleld as a ‘hate group’ by some.
I would surmise that they are simply Americans, maybe Americans that dont ike the direction that America is headed. After all, this country has been, up until recently, a mostly great place to live, with freedoms that the rest of the world has envied.
First, let’s clarify: the speaker is Brad Dacus, the lawyer who sued the state of CA to 1. preserve the barbaric practice of Gay Conversion Therapy (!) and 2. prevent the legal protection of the equal right to marry.
I’m sorry to hear the author was doxxed, that is unacceptable.
Wanting a religious exemption to vaccination mandates is one thing.
It’s another thing altogether inviting and associating yourself with Brad Dacus, because you won’t pay the retainer for a less bigoted lawyer…
Clearly his views are OK with the author.
Clearly, by inviting Brad Dacus, the author is sending the message that lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, queer people, allies or their family members are not welcome in this community. (Or at their business for that matter!)
I would also encourage any local public servants to attend this public event- and for Sierra Wave to publish the list of attendees!
Can’t have it both ways. “Sorry the speaker was doxxed” and “I would also encourage any local public servants to attend this public event- and for Sierra Wave to publish the list of attendees!” First off the speaker wasn’t doxxed he is a public figure and his name was on flyers and easily identified. No the doxxing happened to some of your neighbors here in Bishop. Their information was illegally obtained and shared.
Doxxing encourages actual assaults and harassment of a person at their home. Publishing a list of elected officials dumb enough to attend this just gives people a voting guide. Do you really not see a difference?
Inyoart
The above was incomplete and mistakenly forwarded.
I read this 3x and don’t see the word “science” in it anywhere. I don’t see the name of the public health expert that will be speaking. I don’t see the name of any infectious disease expert that will be speaking. There is nothing in this invitation that suggests your group has any discussions that are based on the clinically-proven science that is trying to grapple with this global pandemic and the clinically-proven life-saving benefits of vaccines and masks. Instead, you have a lawyer showing up, who is absolutely not qualified to speak to the science, but who is going to coach you pro bono (apparently) on your freedom to choose “what’s best for you” based on your opinions and beliefs. True intellectual conversations are not based on opinions, beliefs, and “faith.” The very definition of “faith” is the antithesis to what is proven to be true. Intellectual conversations are based in truth. If you want to find mutual ground to walk on, please “choose altruism over egoism”
Kay Kramer
And you WON’T see the word science in it,since it’s a group of “freedom fighters”,watching OAN and fox news while wearing their red hats,still angry over how the 2020 election was “stolen” from them..
I read your comment 3x and didn’t see the terms “Constitution” or “liberty” in it. I saw the term “science” wielded as if science was always infallible. I saw the term “expert” used as if the experts have not been invariably wrong for two years. I saw the term “mask” even though mask-mandated California has among the highest Covid spikes on Earth.
Wrong.
Texas and Florida have more new cases than California.
Oh no they have a cold…Omnicold. no one is dying from Omnicron stop spreading irrational fear. Read the John’s Hopkins study that was just published. Seriously, your lack of knowledge and your wilful ignorance is just staggering.
A search of PubMed lists 810 results for published studies related to Omicron (one “n” by the way) and Covid. If you could provide the name of the lead author or even the journal in which it was published I’d be happy to read it.
“no one is dying from Omnicron stop spreading irrational fear.”
That’s interesting. My neighbor just across the street died from it on Sunday.
If you look at the ‘deaths per million’, California is one of the lowest in the nation.
The irony of anti-mask, anti-vax movement members pretending to be confused about why there are Covid resurgences and why their older, unvaccinated members are the vast majority of the deaths.
I guess we now know what was printed on those signs Bill Engvall was handing out. They say, “Freedom, not Fear”.
Could you point out to me – anywhere – that anyone has claimed that science is “infallible”? And are you familiar with the definition of the word “novel” as an adjective? And would you mind sharing your source that California has among the highest covid spikes on earth?
Don’t give the whiners any attention. Keep distance from the plague rats.
Choose 847k Dead Americans, Not Fear
Brad Dacus is just a snake oil salesman. This superspreader event is just a fundraiser for his tax shelter PJI .
“I ain’t reading all that
I’m happy for you tho
Or sorry that happened”
wow! no mention of the hate group they’re hosting. or the hypocrisy of claiming to be supportive of people’s individual rights and freedoms while hosting a speaker who’s fought to limit exactly that from a segment of society. sierrawave, i’m disappointed in your coverage of “news”. do better.
Your “freedoms” evaporate when said freedoms put others at great risk. Wear a mask. Get vaccinated.
That is the most ignorant and anti freedom statement I’ve ever heard.
The fact that you put the word -freedoms- in quotation marks indicates you’re prepared to surrender your freedoms.
I will not surrender my freedoms for masks and vaccines that have been proven not to stop the virus.
Our freedoms are absolute, not science, science is to be questioned, ridiculed and questioned again, that’s what science is.
Here’s your sign.
You say that the masks and vaccines have not been proven to stop the virus.
First, the masks only ever were said to reduce the risk of transmission of the virus. They do that, and the better the filtration on the mask the better they do that. Not perfection, but better. Personally, I prefer fewer sick people.
Second, the vaccines were never claimed to “stop” the virus. 97% efficacy against serious disease or death is not 100%, nor does it mention “mild” disease. A full course of vaccines + booster is very effective at keeping even vulnerable people alive. That isn’t “stopping” the virus by any means, but staying alive should count for something. There is no freedom for the dead.
The only thing that we’re all being asked to do at the moment is wear a simple mask when in an indoor public space. Is that really so hard? Isn’t that burden worth it to keep the vulnerable members of our community healthy, to give our health care workers a little relief, to keep our schools open?
Not true, my wife is a healthcare worker, she is being asked to do all sorts of things. Take an unproven and dangerous vaccine that isn’t really a vaccine, to have a job. Get tested 2 times a week because she us unvaccinated. Cover shifts for her vaccinated nurses who mask up everytime they are out in public and who were all sick with Delta, and are now sick again with Omnicron. Meanwhile our family had Delta three months ago, it ran its course in a week. We are all fine. None of us have worn a mask since the first two weeks of the pandemic, we go where we want, we do what we do. We have kids, we enjoy life like Free Americans. Join us. Stop the insanity.
I bet she didn’t turn down that 12% raise that her nursing union just handed out.
Unfortunately she has to be part of the union and the 12 raise us nothing compared to your Imbicel in Chief’s record high inflation. Not that your comment has anything to do with what we are talking about.
hmmmmm…… “Disparaging remarks” – you are turning to the dark side, my friend.
Sorry but your wife isn’t being forced to do anything and she is not the victim. She is being asked to comply with ethics and standards of care. She has made a choice not to get a vaccination and so the hospital has offered a reasonable accommodation up keep staff and patients safe. It is unsettling that she would choose to violate heath guidelines putting the community and her coworkers at risk. It is also unsettling that NIH knowing employs people who are willing to put their staff and the community at risk. She chose this job and the requirements that come with the job. If these requirements are so burdensome she can choose to work somewhere else or in another profession. There are many employers in Inyo County who do not comply with the mask mandate that desperately need employees.
The rules actually are that all employees must wear masks. They can get a “religious exemption” for getting the vaccine by signing a form. Then, they still need to get tested 2x weekly. They’re still supposed to wash their hands but nobody checks on that, that’s on the “honor” system. 🙂
Your wife is a fine example of why the honor system can’t be trusted and why so many NIH employees feel unsafe . But the fact that you are bragging about it and wanting sympathy is over the top. Maybe your want to promote yourself so everyone knows which is their coworkers thinks so little of them that they would engage in activity that promotes the spread of the virus and the spread of misinformation that has contributed to more infections in this community. I really would like to know who to avoid at my next visit.
You meant to reply to “Choose Freedom Not Fear” – 🙂
My apologies you are correct.. I did not intend to respond to you
So very sorry to hear you have kids. Baby goats? Nope not planning to join your bleating foolishness. Sure hope your kids get some exposure to science and civics before it’s too late
She goes to work not wearing a mask ?
“unproven and dangerous” and “isn’t really a vaccine”?
So – tell us what a “real” vaccine is. And then perhaps you could explain what it would take to “prove” whatever ……
And ya know what? I go were I want and I do what I want to do – for the most part (don’t grocery shop naked or have raging parties at 2 am and so on) And as a student of biology, physiology and epidemiology I wear a mask when in public. Those of us who are not stuck in adolescent defiance, sociopathy and general ignorance also live like “free Americans”. The difference is that we are smarter than a box of rocks.
We’re not being “asked” to wear a mask. We’re being commanded. When even the CDC admits that commonplace masks don’t work against Omicron – and they get everything last – you can rest assured that no sane person takes mask fanatics seriously.
Translation: We want to do whatever we want even if it puts others in danger and we want the freedom to promote conspiracy theories and misinformation. We want the freedom to violate public health guidelines that we don’t like. We have done our own research and we are smarter then the experts in public health and we want the freedom to choose to do whatever we want and we don’t want the consequences of our actions. Since we have done our own research we believe it is appropriate for us to attack heatlhcate workers and public health staff. We believe that being forced to wear a mask or get vaccinated to protect ourselves or others we makes us the true victims of this pandemic. Now we want to hold an event in the middle of the surge of the pandemic where many unvaccinated people will go u masked potentially creating a superspreader event with an attorney that represents a hate group that is actively working to strip the rights of those who are in the LGBTQ community. We want you to acknowledge that we are the true victims because we have been asked to follow public heath guidelines. Please join us and listen to us as we tell you how we have been victimized be the government. Please join us so we can share more misinformation and conspiracy theories and rally together to promote further spred of this virus. Please join us as we tell you that we should get to do what we want without any consequences or responsibility of our actions.
You just don’t get to have it both ways here. We would like you know how you were illegally doxed and what that means. Please continue to explain to us how you are the true victims of this pandemic. The true victims are those who have lost their loved ones knowing these deaths could have been prevented. The vulnerable who are being told to stay home and alone because you refuse to wear a mask. The healthcare workers who are now suffering PTSD because the amount of death they are seeing is unbearable. The essential workers who are getting sick and making their families ill with possible deadly consequences. But go on tell us how being asked to wear a mask makes you a victim.
I appreciate how you named yourself. I’d be “concerned” as well if I was as deluded as you are. You people are ridiculous.
YES!!!!
Too bad that your speaker Brad Dacus is from the Pacific Justice Institute which is listed as a hate group by the Southern Poverty Law Center
Check out SPLC’s hate group map. Not a far left group on it. Weren’t they accused of being politically motivated in the mid teens and fired some of their leaders for inappropriate use of donations????….
“Most hate groups are right wing” is maybe not the flex you think it is.
Yeah right! You and David should hook up.
BobK
Yeah right !!
Just like with the Jan.6th,2021 Capital riot.
Most,if not all of those rioters were Democrats…right ?
Ever been to a Pride parade? Lot of hate going on there.
Have you ever been to a pride parade?
In fact I have had the displeasure of living along the route of one and working at a building where I was right in the middle of it each year it took place.
Good move! Make sure LGBT+ people having a parade are haters! OMG! At best your tone-deaf. At best, you are an idiot!
There are a lot of things that go on at a pride parade. I can’t say I agree with all them. But hate is definitely not something I’ve seen. And I feel like pride parades are a place where one can really see it all out there….
No, they were not accused if “inappropriate use of donations.” The following article explains the issues which they confronted and the efforts taken to fix it: https://www.npr.org/2019/04/17/713887174/after-allegations-of-toxic-culture-southern-poverty-law-center-tries-to-move-for
Does “Poverty Palace” ring a bell?