Letter to the editor: “Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me.”

owens_dry_lake.jpgSubmitted by Daniel Pritchett of Bishop

I recently compared DWP’s announcement of its decision to abandon Owens Lake Master Plan negotiations to a “Dear John” letter ending a relationship.  I also posed the rhetorical question of whether the jilted parties (local environmental groups and agencies) would learn from the experience to be more skeptical of DWP’s advances in the future.

We will soon know the answer.  DWP just made another advance, as the Coordinating Committee called a meeting of the Owens Lake Planning Committee for May 15.

Why would any of the former negotiating parties even consider attending?  DWP has already agreed to protect bird habitat — the principal goal of environmental groups.  On the other hand, DWP is proceeding with new groundwater pumping which its own consultants have (twice) determined will create impacts rejected by the Inyo County public.  DWP has also made it clear all water “saved” by modifying dust mitigation at Owens Lake will go down the aqueduct — none will stay in the valley.  Some of DWP’s planned new dust mitigation techniques do not appear to have been approved by Great Basin Unified Air Pollution Control District (GBUAPCD).  And don’t forget that DWP continues to make pawns of its former negotiating partners by continuing to invoke (now defunct) Master Plan negotiations in its media attacks against Ted Schade and GBUAPCD.

Given these facts, I suggest participation in the May 15 meeting by the former negotiating parties will reward DWP’s bad behavior and advance DWP’s interests at the expense of those of the rest of us.  The fact that the meeting has been called at all is an indication of the gullibility DWP perceives in its former negotiating partners.

Sometimes parties become too heavily invested in a relationship to recognize that it has become one-sided and exploitative.  It will shortly be apparent if any of the former Master Plan negotiating parties fall into this category as the soap opera continues!

Daniel Pritchett

Bishop, CA

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Tim
Tim
9 years ago

Who tore down The Little Lake Hotel?
http://www.ghosttowns.com/states/ca/littlelake.html

Observer
Observer
9 years ago
Reply to  Tim

It burned down.

Tim
Tim
9 years ago

You were right… There are not many billboards in the Owens Valley from the lake to Independence. People in LA that can make a difference don’t give a crap. The valley is great just the way it is. I’m retarded and owe BK $12.95 for the self diagnosis. Waitresses make… Read more »

Big AL
Big AL
9 years ago

LOL … with all of the desalination plants going in all over the world, We’re gona drain the ocean in about 75 years, upside is, we will have more land to put folks on when the sea shore recedes. hehe

Hard to swallow
Hard to swallow
9 years ago
Reply to  Big AL

The Owens valley provides water to the Los Angeles Aqueduct, the source of half of the water for Los Angeles, and is infamous as the scene of one of the fiercest and longest running episodes of the California Water Wars.These episodes inspired aspects of the film Chinatown. “…the source of… Read more »

Tim
Tim
9 years ago

At this point is DWP just stalling because they know that the technology for desalinization is quickly advancing and they will no longer need Owens Valley? The New York Times likes the idea… http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/01/business/energy-environment/a-costly-california-desalination-plant-bets-on-future-affordability.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0 LADWP is on it… http://www.desalresponsegroup.org/SoCal/losangeles.html Saudi Arabia is constructing a 158 million gallon a day plant.… Read more »

Trouble
Trouble
9 years ago
Reply to  Tim

Sure Tim- DWP will wake up own day and say they don’t want our free water. I’ll be Pope Trouble VII by then.

Observer
Observer
9 years ago
Reply to  Tim

Desalination is Pie-In-The-Sky thinking. It takes too much energy and could never compete with the cheap water from the Owens Valley.

Are there any Desalination plants here in the USA operating at a profit? No.

Mark
Mark
9 years ago
Reply to  Observer

We need to find ways to increase the cost of Owen’s Valley water so LADWP goes elsewhere for it’s cheapest water.

A quagga mussel and zebra mussel infestation is in order.

Tim
Tim
9 years ago

Has anyone ever tried to register the remaining historical buildings with The California Register of Historic Places?
http://ohp.parks.ca.gov/?page_id=21238a

Tim
Tim
9 years ago

This is really outstanding Holy smoke BK, a pipe bomb? Deliberate destruction of local history? http://thereitistakeit.org/about/ When they said “There it is take it” were they talking about an activity that involves bending over? SHAME, SHAME, SHAME… In nature every action has a reaction or backlash, this one is already… Read more »

Benett Kessler
Benett Kessler
9 years ago
Reply to  Tim

You read the Audio Tour of the Owens Valley I presume, and heard my stories about someone pipe bombing our newsroom in the 70s when John Heston and I were hard on it with the first real DWP news in the Eastern Sierra. DWP officials, at the time, didn’t like… Read more »

Philip Anaya
Philip Anaya
9 years ago
Reply to  Benett Kessler

Well not to worry BK. The DWP loves you now, more and more as you continue doing your tireless part in providing all of us with reports and stories, the Sierrawave.net and the truth. Your efforts are magnified many times over by folks who are informed into action whether they… Read more »

Tim
Tim
9 years ago

I spoke with three people in LA about the Owens Valley water issue today. Two did not know how much water an LA lawn uses, one did. The person who did, Kate, is an LADWP customer who removed her lawn as part of a LADWP program. Kate had fantastic ideas… Read more »

Waxlips
Waxlips
9 years ago

I think the Owens Valley maybe experiencing the beginning of the dustbowl effect. Water being pumped from the aquifers is causing less vegetation. Water being diverted to the Acqueduct means it’s not spreading over the land which means less vegetation. Not to mention the depletion of the aquifers. In 100… Read more »

Tim
Tim
9 years ago
Reply to  Waxlips

I have noticed that the displaced dust from the lake settles away from the lake to be remobilized in the next windstorm.
Is this the dustbowl effect Waxlips?

California Water Wars
California Water Wars
9 years ago

By the 1930s, the water requirements for Los Angeles continued to increase. LADWP started buying water rights in the Mono Basin (the next basin to the north of the Owens Valley). An extension to the aqueduct was built, which included such engineering feats as tunneling through the Mono Craters (an… Read more »

Enviro-wackos
Enviro-wackos
9 years ago

What environmental wackos . . . really want to do is attack our way
of life in the effort to limit CFC’s. “Their primary enemy: capitalism.”

Conservative guru and #1 talk-radio host – Rush Limbaugh

Mr. NRA
Mr. NRA
9 years ago
Reply to  Enviro-wackos

I love how your hatred has made you so infatuated with Conservative guru and #1 talk-radio host – Rush Limbaugh, that you listen to him 3 hours a day 5 days a week and reruns on the weekend just so you don’t miss a word ELRUSHBO says on the EIB… Read more »

More from the Neocon guru
More from the Neocon guru
9 years ago
Reply to  Mr. NRA

CALLER: I heard you talking about how the public schools are brainwashing kids. We had a speaker come in a few months ago, and he was talking about how coal is evil and dirty. RUSH: How old are you? CALLER: I’m 12. RUSH: Who was this speaker? CALLER: He was… Read more »

More from the Neocon guru
More from the Neocon guru
9 years ago
Reply to  Mr. NRA

Mr. NRA – Haven’t you figured out why it is the GOP has distanced itself from the neoconservative element? Ya gotta turn off the talk radio and tune into CNN or PBS or something. Perhaps a kingpin from the NRA would be a good choice for the presidency. Right up… Read more »

Here ya go, Gun Guy
Here ya go, Gun Guy
9 years ago
Reply to  Mr. NRA

For the NRA guy –

“In a single day, more people will hear Rush Limbaugh, the people-hater who is adored by people-haters, then will ever read this book.”

Buckskinned Attorney, Gerry Spence, from his New York Times best-seller, “Give Me Liberty!”

The votes are in
The votes are in
9 years ago

And there you have it.
6 “thumbs down” when their Conservative kingpin is quoted.
Sorry, far-righters. But the country is on to the hatred from the Right-wing.
Come up with a viable candidate for president (instead of whining about “Obummer” ) and I might even vote for them.

Conservative Watchdog
Conservative Watchdog
9 years ago
Reply to  Mr. NRA

What have you been smoking, Mr. NRA?

Patriotic duty to disclose lunacy
Patriotic duty to disclose lunacy
9 years ago
Reply to  Mr. NRA

It’s understandable why anybody would be sensitive by posting what the likes of Rush Limbaugh tells his loyal followers each day on this blog. Nevertheless, when we now have another conservative, Glenn Beck, telling fellow conservatives the Obama administration has orchestrated a federal cover-up regarding the Boston bombing, it my… Read more »

Benett Kessler
Benett Kessler
9 years ago

Yes, this is reasonable information to pass on, but would you get on to things other than Limbaugh. We have received your message.
Benett Kessler

Tourbillon
Tourbillon
9 years ago

Benett, please do not discourage Mr. Man of Many Names. He obviously is in a love-hate relationship with Rush Limbaugh, and according to a Yale University study, people who suffer from this particular disorder tend to have very low self esteem, http://scienceblog.com/10767/the-mystery-behind-love-hate-relationships/. So posting his pathetic little rants on SierraWave… Read more »

Philip Anaya
Philip Anaya
9 years ago

On Sept 28,1994 the State Water Resources Board in Decision 1631 established a 15 year goal of the elevation of the Lake of 6392 feet above sea level. The level of the lake was 6377 in 1995. The level of the Lake today is 6382.1 (4/1/2013). The level of the… Read more »

Steve
Steve
9 years ago

President THEODORE ROOSEVELT and the US congress gave the water to LA for the good of all. Had he foreseen what would happen 100 years later I am sure being the creator of the first Nat. Park and a lover of the great out doors. He would say it was… Read more »

Tim
Tim
9 years ago
Reply to  Steve

For the good of all, I will tell at least one person in LA every day. A typical square foot of lawn in Los Angeles wastes 30 gallons of water per year. The 100 square mile Owens Lake was full until the aqueduct diverted its source. The result of removing… Read more »

Tim
Tim
9 years ago

I have learned so much from this thread. In the beginning I thought that DWP should be embarrassed by the facts, now I believe it is their customers like me that should be embarrassed. I have had my head in the sand for so long about where my water comes… Read more »

Tim
Tim
9 years ago

A typical square foot of lawn in Los Angeles wastes 30 gallons of water per year. The 100 square mile Owens Lake was full until the aqueduct diverted its source. The result of removing surplus water from and near the surface has been regional warming. Regional warming reduces snow pack.… Read more »

Tim
Tim
9 years ago

I just spoke with the gardener of a major LA institution who is a friend of mine; here is what he told me. 1) He loves the Owens valley and visits at least once a year. 2) He did not know that Owens Lake was full prior to the aqueduct,… Read more »

J-Frog
J-Frog
9 years ago
Reply to  Tim

Right on Tim, education outreach is KEY!
Thank you for your efforts 🙂

Tim
Tim
9 years ago

Ken, Do you know any property owners along 395 that would allow Burma Shave style signs? I can do the website easily enough if there are folks willing to support it with the signs. I think it would be important to not attack DWP, they have their hands tied and… Read more »

Charles O. Jones
Charles O. Jones
9 years ago

I agree that a campaign of greater public education on water conservation is definitely needed. I have many contacts with the LA area and can say for certain that the need for water conservation is not adequately stressed there. And this is not unique to LA. I have friends and… Read more »

Tim
Tim
9 years ago

Hat tip to Chas. O Jones.
Thank You!
People do care.

Kill your lawn before it kills you…

Trouble
Trouble
9 years ago

Shouldn’t we pay for signs to be put up in L.A.? The locals already know all about the water wars. I think putting signs up in L.A. would help a whole lot more for many reasons. It would sure piss off DWP.

Tim
Tim
9 years ago
Reply to  Trouble

Yes Trouble, we should have both, signs in LA and along 395. Over 2,000,000 Angelinos travel 395 on their way to Mammoth, Yosemite, Reno, Death Valley, Mule Days, Fishing, Mt Whitney and backpacking, annually. We need an initial environmental awareness and shock to garner support and build up interest; this… Read more »

Desert Tortoise
Desert Tortoise
9 years ago
Reply to  Trouble

Inyo and Mono County supervisors need to start attending LA City Council meetings and DWP board meetings to challenge their leaders directly, in person, regarding their policies. Putting up billboards is a monumental waste of time because most Los Angelenos never in their lives visit the Owens Valley. Heck, most… Read more »

Tim
Tim
9 years ago

DT said…”Putting up billboards is a monumental waste” *Ok, I am open to your opinion; do you have a suggestion on how to help solve the water or environmental problem? DT also said…”Los Angelenos never in their lives visit the Owens Valley” *The Caltrans data that I was able to… Read more »

Desert Tortoise
Desert Tortoise
9 years ago
Reply to  Tim

Read my other post. My suggestion is for Mono and Inyo County elected representatives to confront the LA City Council and LADWP directly in person. LADWP travels north to make their case in public, face to face. If Owens Valley elected reps are too lazy or disconnected to bother making… Read more »

Tim
Tim
9 years ago
Reply to  Tim

DT, Why does it matter where the people who travel 395 are from who would see the Burma Shave style water education signs? Education should be objective instead of subjective. (Apply to everyone instead of just a specific group or geography) Here are the rules I use to engage in… Read more »

Tim
Tim
9 years ago
Reply to  Tim

“My suggestion is for Mono and Inyo County elected representatives to confront the LA City Council and LADWP directly in person.”
DT,
How do we get them to do this?
What would their argument be?
What would be their goals?

Tim
Tim
9 years ago

Just for the record; I live in Los Angeles and love the Owens Valley with all my heart. I think it is one of the most beautiful places on earth. When I was a child my father brought me up to the valley, I remember being amazed at how the… Read more »

Desert Tortoise
Desert Tortoise
9 years ago

I’m waving the BS flag on that comment. Not only is LA very water conscious in terms of how it is used (not so much about where it comes from) but they have laws restricting the number of days one may water their law and the total duration of lawn… Read more »

Benett Kessler
Benett Kessler
9 years ago

Are you sure the water restrictions – days and times – are currently in place?
BK

Tim
Tim
9 years ago
Reply to  Benett Kessler

BK,
In my community of LA we have water police looking for waste and we get water use report cards with our bill.

Benett Kessler
Benett Kessler
9 years ago
Reply to  Tim

Are actual restrictions in place now – days and times?
BK

Tim
Tim
9 years ago
Reply to  Tim

Bk,
Yes, in my suburb actual water restrictions are in place.

Benett Kessler
Benett Kessler
9 years ago
Reply to  Tim

What are they?
BK

Desert Tortoise
Desert Tortoise
9 years ago
Reply to  Tim

The water restrictions imposed during the drought remain in effect today.

Tim
Tim
9 years ago
Reply to  Tim

BK,
You were correct, my water ban is temporarily lifted.

Desert Tortoise
Desert Tortoise
9 years ago
Reply to  Tim

Water conservation in LA is governed by a municipal ordinance.

http://www.ladwpneighborhoodnews.com/external/content/document/1643/874195/1/Water%20Conservation%20Fact%20Sheet.pdf

LAs Water Management Plan is over 16 Mb. Have fun.

http://www.water.ca.gov/urbanwatermanagement/2010uwmps/Los%20Angeles%20Department%20of%20Water%20and%20Power/LADWP%20UWMP_2010_LowRes.pdf

Now, what is Mono County going to do about it’s ridiculous water consumption?

Benett Kessler
Benett Kessler
9 years ago

Dear Tortoise, Perhaps you should focus on the fact that the water originates in the Eastern Sierra and is piped to Los Angeles, which does not have enough water in its own territory to support itself. Leave Inyo and Mono alone – we’re hoping that we have enough water left… Read more »

Desert Tortoise
Desert Tortoise
9 years ago
Reply to  Benett Kessler

Ms. Bennett, some here like to complain that LA wastes water and what I am showing the mob here is that nothing could be further from the truth. You might not like LA, I left because Los Angeleans are hard like New Yorkers, but you cannot deny that LA is… Read more »

Benett Kessler
Benett Kessler
9 years ago

Your thinking is two-dimensional – might makes right and manufacturing does too. That is not where others come from. Not me either. All people in the Eastern Sierra want is respectful treatment and protection of the environment. Neither of which we get. The ethics of human relations go beyond concepts… Read more »

Conservative catchphrases
Conservative catchphrases
9 years ago

Situations don’t make the man – they reveal him. And what being revealed is a growing callousness and dollar-worship (one group refuses to demand the rich to pay taxes) . “Whatever it takes,” “Let ’em pull themselves up from their bootstraps” “Capitalism uber alles” “Speak softly and carry a big… Read more »

Big AL
Big AL
9 years ago

If Angelenos are so hard and why did you leave, if they are all that, that you described desert tortoise? Sounds like you think the world revolves around Los Angeles. Yet you moved up here, and like to make accusations about how much water people waste here. And cover up… Read more »

Natural Limitations
Natural Limitations
9 years ago
Reply to  Benett Kessler

The earth is, to a certain extent, our mother. She is so kind, because whatever we do, she tolerates it. But now, the time has come when our powers to destroy is so extreme that Mother Earth is compelled to tell us to be careful. The population explosion and many… Read more »

Long-term water agreement
Long-term water agreement
9 years ago

In 1991, Inyo County and the city of Los Angeles signed the Inyo-Los Angeles Long Term Water Agreement, which required that groundwater pumping be managed to avoid significant impacts while providing a reliable water supply for Los Angeles, and in 1997, Inyo County, Los Angeles, the Owens Valley Committee, the… Read more »

Big AL
Big AL
9 years ago

I take that bulls**t flag and wave it too at DT .. LOL .. There must be a lot of people in the LADWP’s area that are paying lots of fines for watering too much, or so one would think after reading that post. hehe

Tim
Tim
9 years ago

DT, I know this comment to be true; it does vary though from municipality to municipality. I am learning that there is quite a water conservation movement happening in LA right now. I believe that it is not strong enough and that people need to know why there is a… Read more »

Tim
Tim
9 years ago

Here is what a water emergency will bring… DWP employees armed with assault weapons guarding the water? Yellow armbands and goose step lessons for the water police? 😉 300 miles of attractive composite material covering the aqueduct to prevent pilfering and malice? Motto; “For the Greater Good” I doubt that… Read more »

Desert Tortoise
Desert Tortoise
9 years ago
Reply to  Tim

Maybe Mono and Inyo County could start by instituting the sorts of daily water restrictions LA residents have coped with for over a decade? With both Inyo and Mono Counties using more than twice as much water per person per day as Los Angeles, complaints about wasting water from this… Read more »

Benett Kessler
Benett Kessler
9 years ago

Once again, the water figures include fish hatcheries and ranchland irrigation. Over the years, many officials have debunked the water useage attributed to Inyo and Mono.
Again, what is your point?
BK

Desert Tortoise
Desert Tortoise
9 years ago
Reply to  Benett Kessler

No Ms. Kessler, they do not. No agricultural uses are included. Read the DWR literature on how residential water use is calculated. The fish hatcheries are not operated by municipal water utilities and those are the only entities that report water use to the DWR.

Benett Kessler
Benett Kessler
9 years ago

Yes, I will read up on that. Last I heard, ranch and fish hatchery water were included.
BK

Mike
Mike
9 years ago

The Blackrock and Fish Springs fish hatcheries are operated by CDFW on LADWP land and with LADWP water. Water flows through the hatcheries and out into canals that flow into the river and on to LA.The water is pumped 24/7/365 and has caused measurable damage to local vegetation. Inyo County… Read more »

Desert Tortoise
Desert Tortoise
9 years ago

http://www.aguanomics.com/2009/07/what-does-per-capita-daily-use-really_06.html Agricultual uses are not included. The water at the fish hatcheries flows through and is not consumed for irrigation or an industrial use. DWR takes date provided my municipal water utilities. It is not DWR generated data but data provided to them from water utilities, along with each utilitie’s… Read more »

Big AL
Big AL
9 years ago

I wonder how you come to that conclusion desert tortoise, is that fact that you can show us?

Facts v Conjecture
Facts v Conjecture
9 years ago
Reply to  Big AL

Uh-oh!
Big Al asking for facts.
What’s this world coming to?
(playful sarcasm)

Big AL
Big AL
9 years ago

LOL Dr. right on

Mark
Mark
9 years ago

Billboards!

The last thing we need are billboards blocking our beautiful views.

Please no.

Tim
Tim
9 years ago
Reply to  Mark

The valley is already littered with ski shop, medical marijuana, Mammoth, and other billboards. Burma Shave style boards would have a positive impact.
Check out this webcam in Independence, not the diminutive Burma Shave sign you are against…
http://www.whitneyzone.com/webcam/will/willi.jpg

The rat society is breaking down
The rat society is breaking down
9 years ago
Reply to  Tim

Tim, I’m afraid you sound like someone who has been living in an overcrowded area for a wee bit too long. Like the famous rat experiment where the rats were allowed to reproduce again and again until they overran each other in the already cramped space they were in, their… Read more »

Tim
Tim
9 years ago

Dear “The rat society is breaking down”
Your comment does not address any of the issues and only derails the conversation in an attempt to discredit me.
Here is a guide to having a real discussion;
http://critical-thinkers.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/A-Flowchart-to-Help-You-Determine-if-Yoursquore-Having-a-Rational-Discussion.jpg

The way capitalism works
The way capitalism works
9 years ago
Reply to  Tim

Nonsense, Tim-from-L.A. You discredit yourself trying to convince the good people of Mono and Inyo Counties that putting up ugly signs in our pristine wilderness (one of the reasons we moved here to begin with) is going to add more water to the valley. You (and/or your associates) must be… Read more »

Tim
Tim
9 years ago
Reply to  Tim

Pristine wilderness or over exploited wasteland already littered with billboards? I am not in any business that revolves around my passion regarding the water issue. My participation in this is costing me money. I am doing it because I can’t believe we have drained Owens Lake and are still destroying… Read more »

Tim
Tim
9 years ago
Reply to  Tim

Dear, The way capitalism works,
OK, you don’t like signs or billboards, do you have any suggestions?
Do you want things to stay as they are?

Tim
Tim
9 years ago
Reply to  Tim

The thing I remember most about Save Mono Lake is the billboards, perhaps that is why I want them, they worked.

Ken Warner
Ken Warner
9 years ago
Reply to  Mark

It’s been so long since I’ve driven down 395 South that I forgot about all the billboards.

I say good idea. Use the billboards to inform and maybe change attitudes toward the Valley.

nice idea, but ...
nice idea, but ...
9 years ago
Reply to  Ken Warner

Ken, I doubt billboards will change any kind of attitude towards the valley. It’s purely a supply and demand thing and who has the most high-powered attorneys, money and political clout. And guess what? Next year there will be even more people living in the L.A. area needing more and… Read more »

Benett Kessler
Benett Kessler
9 years ago

You might also think about the power of big media and organization.
BK

Tim
Tim
9 years ago
Reply to  Benett Kessler

BK, I know a major network weatherman, could I speak with him about the problem and possibly get coverage or exposure? I am all ears and open to any of your experience and advice. I want to do everything I can to help. In the very least I am going… Read more »

Benett Kessler
Benett Kessler
9 years ago
Reply to  Tim

Why not? I was referring to the Mono Lake Committee’s early efforts to forward their cause. As an organization, they ended up on CBS and other networks.
BK

Big AL
Big AL
9 years ago
Reply to  Benett Kessler

This is exactly what I was referring too in past posts on this issue .. exploit the media as some others have and are doing. Look at DWP’s exploitation involving the media .. they play the “poor me” image in the media .. they have public information officers and lots… Read more »

Tim
Tim
9 years ago

Dear, Nice idea but…
What if the signs reach one person who can make a difference?
What if the signs direct people to this conversation?
What if the signs turn out to be a cost effective start?
What if we do nothing?

J-Frog
J-Frog
9 years ago
Reply to  Tim

Tim, The idea of billboards is a idea, I almost will co-sign that idea, like have a sign right where the dry creek bed is on the Lone Pine Paiute – Shoshone Reservation, and then state that the biggest tree (cottonwood) in the valley lies just above here and is… Read more »

Here's where you can put billboards
Here's where you can put billboards
9 years ago
Reply to  Tim

Okay, L.A. Tim –
Put up a zillion billboards telling people to start conserving water.
And put them all in Los Angeles.

Go to work on these guys Tim
Go to work on these guys Tim
9 years ago

If Tim-from-L.A. wants to do something about the environment (water wars) he might start trying to change the mindset of our neoconservative population that think Climate Change is a hoax perpetuated by liberal enviro-wackos (that’s the way their hero Rush Limbaugh puts it).
Just what ARE conservatives conserving anyway?

Dingo
Dingo
9 years ago

Tim, I agree with you dude but unfortunately many Angelinos could not care less about the Owens Valley and the wasteland they are creating, they cant see it from their house. They (angelinos) will not be concerned about the water issue until the day comes when they go to water… Read more »

Tim
Tim
9 years ago
Reply to  Dingo

LADWP is not an evil empire any more than any city with storm drains and roads that prevent water from being reabsorbed into the aquifer. When the aqueduct was built, as well as the flood control systems of ever city, we were oblivious to the negative impact. Today we are… Read more »

Dingo
Dingo
9 years ago
Reply to  Tim

LADWP blah blah blah EVIL EVIL EVIL

Tim
Tim
9 years ago
Reply to  Dingo

I don’t understand your comment Dingo; it looks like you are frustrated with the whole situation.
Check this out, it really helped me.
http://critical-thinkers.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/A-Flowchart-to-Help-You-Determine-if-Yoursquore-Having-a-Rational-Discussion.jpg

J-Frog
J-Frog
9 years ago
Reply to  Tim

Tim, LADWP is more of a “Evil Empire” then a Moral entity. They are just another reflection of how capitalism continues to divide and conquer. Yes those who work for LADWP are just doing their job. I am not to sure who could be oblivious to the impact’s when one… Read more »

Big AL
Big AL
9 years ago
Reply to  J-Frog

Well said J frog

Tim
Tim
9 years ago
Reply to  Dingo

Do not allow what you can do to be derailed by what you can’t do.

Working Together
Working Together
9 years ago

It’s hard to really understand the situation from the sidelines, Daniel. Nothing will change by writing scathing letters to the editor attacking local people who are trying to work together. Tenacity and courage and face to face collaboration are required if anything is going to improve.

No desire for harmony
No desire for harmony
9 years ago

United we stand – divided we fall. Yet there are those today who spend all their waking days doing all they can trying to set themselves and their group apart from the rest. Some think they are accomplishing things with their ears glued to talk-radio programs all day, programs which… Read more »

Tim
Tim
9 years ago

It’s the open of fishing season and 395 will be packed yet there are still no water education billboards. DWP needs to be embarrassed with educational billboards stating the facts. People in LA are oblivious to the problem, my neighbor just put in a 3000 square foot lawn where there… Read more »

outsider
outsider
9 years ago
Reply to  Tim

I’m sure DWP will allow billboards shaming them on all that highway frontage land that they own up and down the 395 corridor. Why didn’t I think of that? Maybe they’ll even PAY for them! Tim, you’re brilliant!

Tim
Tim
9 years ago
Reply to  outsider

Thank you outsider. I work the MLS for Owens Valley continually and know that there are many properties that they do not own. I like the Burma Shave idea, the signs could be small, and they do not have to be expensive full size billboards. I do not think DWP… Read more »

Ken Warner
Ken Warner
9 years ago
Reply to  Tim

Good idea. Is anyone here old enough to remember the BurmaShave signs?

But are’t billboards illegal along 395?

Tim
Tim
9 years ago
Reply to  Ken Warner

Ken, Thanks for the Burma Shave reference, great idea for those property owners along 395. Owens Lake – – – Was Full – – – Before the Aqueduct – – – That supplies half of LA’s water – – – http://www.saveowenslake.com ————————————————————————————- Sustainable – – – Water – – –… Read more »

Tim
Tim
9 years ago
Reply to  Tim

Correction;
An LA lawn uses 30 gallons of water per year per square foot.

Philip Anaya
Philip Anaya
9 years ago
Reply to  Tim

Owens Dry Lake is empty, After they opened the concrete ditch. The Dust once spread, is now contained on the Lake bed And all DWP can do is bitch. 4 small red signs with white letters .Yeah I remember Burma Shave. Do I dare sign it with a fifth sign… Read more »

Philip Anaya
Philip Anaya
9 years ago
Reply to  Philip Anaya

The sage the grass is longtime gone

The water’s robbed ,it must be wrong.

The Valley Floor once green and wild

Is it now the Department of Water and Power’s forgotten child.

Can see the dust from Mammoth
Can see the dust from Mammoth
9 years ago
Reply to  Philip Anaya

Sometimes you can see the dust from here in Mammoth.
I wish there was something we could do about it.
Gotta be an unhealthy situation

Big AL
Big AL
9 years ago
Reply to  Tim

But Tim, they make money off of selling water .. and plenty of it .. why would everyone think that they want to conserve it?

Trouble
Trouble
9 years ago
Reply to  Big AL

Thank you for pointing that out Big Al.

Tim
Tim
9 years ago
Reply to  Big AL

Great question Big Al, First there is an obligation to the public. DWP, the largest municipal utility in the United States is governed by an appointed panel which meets privately. This needs to change; DWP should be governed by The Public Utilities Commission to protect the public’s interests. Their next… Read more »

Water wars brief tutorial
Water wars brief tutorial
9 years ago
Reply to  Tim

The California Water Wars were a series of conflicts between the city of Los Angeles, farmers and ranchers in the Owens Valley of Eastern California, and environmentalists. As Los Angeles grew in the late 1800s, it started to outgrow its water supply. Fred Eaton, mayor of Los Angeles, realized that… Read more »

Tim
Tim
9 years ago

Thanks for the synopsis, it is very nicely condensed. In Arizona many golf courses are built as links with lots of decomposed granite between holes; the rich gladly pay to play them. In Nevada the water department pays its customers to convert to zero-scape. I am aware of The Mono… Read more »

Don't tax the rich
Don't tax the rich
9 years ago

Hard to believe the foolish political movement today that wants no taxes for the rich. As if we little guys are gladly going to carry the load. Nothing is trickling down to we little guys other than the water from our taps after the rich Southern Californians take most of… Read more »

Desert Tortoise
Desert Tortoise
9 years ago
Reply to  Tim

LADWP is a literal drop in the bucket compared to the Imperial Irrigation District. IID controls fully 85% of the developed fresh water used in Southern California. MWD is far down the seniority list of water rights on the Colorado River, and they play a definite second fiddle to agricultural… Read more »

Desert Tortoise
Desert Tortoise
9 years ago

I love how people make up “facts”. LADWP doesn’t even make the top ten in terms of the number of customers for public utilities in the US. Both PG&E and Edison dwarf LADWPs customer base. Florida Power and Light has 5.4 million customers (not the number of residents but the… Read more »

Tim
Tim
9 years ago

Tim Said… “DWP, the largest municipal utility in the United States” Desert Tortoise said… “I love how people make up “facts”. LADWP doesn’t even make the top ten in terms of the number of customers for public utilities in the US. Both PG&E and Edison dwarf LADWP’s customer base” Here… Read more »

Big AL
Big AL
9 years ago

I have heard of some of them .. in fact I am doing some email with American Water at this time, to get the bill from my parent’s house into my name. Yeah they are a big outfit, I knew that. You’re right LA is not even a drop in… Read more »

Tim
Tim
9 years ago

Yes, big AG uses water to grow food. I think growing food is important yet do not understand the importance of growing lawns in the desert. Your comment appears to be an attempt to derail the Owens Valley discussion by diverting attention to another problem. People are actively campaigning in… Read more »

Mike
Mike
9 years ago
Reply to  Tim

The LADWP Board of Water and Power Commissioners meets in regular, publicly noticed open meeting in Los Angeles.

Tim
Tim
9 years ago
Reply to  Mike

It looks like I was wrong about that mike, I can even watch videos of the meetings. Perhaps I was confused by the closed meeting I read about in a Wave article.
http://ladwp.granicus.com/ViewPublisher.php?view_id=2

Big AL
Big AL
9 years ago
Reply to  Tim

I hear ya Tim .. good points.

Tim
Tim
9 years ago
Reply to  Big AL

Big Al, I apologize for being inflammatory. The discussion is healthy; I learn from you, you learn from me. The open exchange of information and ideas makes this possible. I want to be wrong as much as I want to be right. I want to be challenged, any idea that… Read more »

Big AL
Big AL
9 years ago
Reply to  Big AL

No Tim, that wasn’t for you .. it was for desert tortoise, the part about facts, and whether or not he chooses to believe it or not.

Desert Tortoise
Desert Tortoise
9 years ago
Reply to  Tim

LAs water use per person per day is less than half that of Mono County. It is among the lowest in the state. In terms of how LA residents use water LA has nothing to be embarassed about. in fact it is Mono and Inyo County that need to learn… Read more »

Tim
Tim
9 years ago

If in fact LA’s per person water use is less than that of Owens Valley, it is a faulty comparison and bad science. If you follow the latitude or parallel lines on a globe of the world you will see that LA is parallel with North Africa and the Northern… Read more »

Tim
Tim
9 years ago

DT said “LAs water use per person per day is less than half that of Mono County.” DT, did you see the cart in your citation, it looks like LA uses about a third less water than Mono. Could this be because of the differences in the demographic of the… Read more »

upthecreek
upthecreek
9 years ago
Reply to  Tim

WAIT till your neighbor starts getting his water bills.. He will learn very fast

GGW

Slake
Slake
9 years ago
Reply to  Tim

Agreed! This is why we are trying to get organized and get the word out about what is happening in the Eastern Sierra due to LADWP’s water extraction. It is an environmental and social justice issue. They extract our water, our ability to grow food and damage the environmental integrity… Read more »

Dry Independent
Dry Independent
9 years ago
Reply to  Slake

Since I’ve lived in the Owens Valley, it looks drier, the dust storms are worse, trees are dying, and the LADWP keeps on us for more and more water. They’ve started suing to get/keep more water, they’re trying to get out of the agreement they signed! Yes, LA needs water,… Read more »

Phreatophyte
Phreatophyte
9 years ago
Reply to  Slake

Go, Slake! And thank you for trying to get the word out! I see a lot of complaints from LADWP’s PR department about “pouring water into the desert.” Wrong. A) The water Los Angeles claims it’s “pouring” into the Owens Valley actually COMES from the Owens Valley. It’s a closed… Read more »

SIerraFan
SIerraFan
9 years ago

Great article Bennet, I think you hit the nail on the head with this one!

Benett Kessler
Benett Kessler
9 years ago
Reply to  SIerraFan

Daniel Pritchett wrote the letter. I just posted it.
BK

Cate Parsons
Cate Parsons
9 years ago
Reply to  SIerraFan

I am a citizen of the city of Los Angeles. My heart aches each year as we drive through Owen Lake area on our trek up to the mountains. I see devastation caused by us, I feel helpless and very sad. What can I do? Do other people driving to… Read more »

Daris
Daris
9 years ago
Reply to  Cate Parsons

Cate go to this site Slake:Water & Power in the Eastern Sierra.com. They have a fund going to try to save the Owens Valley.