An estimated 80 East Side residents marched in solidarity with those impacted by the recent Supreme Court decision to overturn Roe v Wade, the 50-year old ruling legalizing abortions.
The Court pushed the issue back to the states with the result of a broad range of legislation that could punish abortion providers and criminalize travel to states where the procedure is still legal.
The march from Bishop City Park to Line Street and back to the park, was met with a chorus of supporting honks from passing vehicles and only a few scattered jeers. One of the issues brought out in discussions was the keen interest of children in utero but far less concern when
it came to child care, education and health care funding as well as support for single mothers.
Abortions are still legal in California.
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Dear Forced Birthers, When you insist that a rape survivor carry the child to term and then the court system grants parental rights to the rapist I sincerely believe you are making yourself a very nice bed in Hell. May you enjoy it for eternity.
I agree with you that we should pass laws to ensure that convicted rapists are NEVER granted any parental rights EVER!
Wow,talk about biased media. Allowing these angry people to demean myself and Noel with their short sighted opinions, yet you refuse to post my opinion because it might anger them?
This is the essence of new fascist liberalism and exactly why it will fail.
G.W.
So you complain about being demeaned and then paint others as short sighted fascists?
Guess that is one way to foster a respectful discourse.
Pedro
A pretty good chance he’s a “conservative trumper “..bashing and blaming the Liberals and Democrats for just about everything and everyone that doesn’t agree with them or support their thinking…and then thinking and saying,as they are “ordered ” to do,since they can’t think on their own,how their 30 % ( and dropping ) are going to again take over the White House,like they think they did with the Supreme Court……
We’ll see about that….
If you’re really anti-abortion, put your money where your mouth is – start calling your legislators and demanding the draft be used to recruit all men, age 18-25. These men will then all be given reversible vasectomies. And discharged. This continues for every man on his 18th birthday.
A man can get the vasectomy reversed if they bring in a signed document from a woman who is trying to get pregnant by him. Once she gets pregnant, another vasectomy.
This would have a far, far greater impact on the number of abortions.
So why wasn’t this done? Could it possibly be that the goal is less about abortion and more about controlling women’s bodies?
A human unborn child has a right to live too. If a mom fell into hard times and couldn’t provide for her children, we would not say that it is OK to “eliminate” the children! We must protect all lives. Let us all reach out and do more to help children and families as they grow.
Glad to hear you’re in favor of universal health care, paid maternity leave, comprehensive sex ed, free childcare programs, and increasing the minimum wage. But you would have been better off pushing those programs as they actually lower abortion rates.
Again, demographically, most women who get abortions already have at least one kid and are in their mid to late 20s. They know how expensive being pregnant, delivery, and caring for a kid actually are.
Or are you more forced birth than “pro-life”?
It is true that you cannot catch pregnancy from another woman, but it is easily contracted from any man, and it only takes 30 seconds!
More often than not abortion is nothing more than a shameful convenience.
More often than not, the woman getting an abortion is age 24-29 and already has at least one child she is already struggling to care for properly. Given the lack of paid maternity leave and high medical costs in the USA versus every other developed country in the world, actually having that second kid could easily make many women homeless. That our country is so far behind the rest of the world on caring for its citizens is the only shame here.
and you know that because?
What I’d like to know is where the help and safety net is for those who will now be forced to give birth to genetically messed up kids who will not live, or if they do, likely die in suffering, or be totally dependent for life. Who will now help these people? And I mean help them for life, until the parents die and/or kids die, and then pay off their medical bills. The state?? Where are all the politicians banging the drum for higher taxes to take care of all these unfortunate ones? This seems just like electric cars to me, supposed to be a good thing, save the world and all, but poorly thought out with no infrastructure in place and I really doubt anyone cares.
They don’t care about those lives. If anything, they’ll whine about “welfare queens”.
It’s a pity the forced-birth and rape-apologist crowd has never thrown nearly the effort into providing for actual living children that they did into getting Roe V. Wade overturned.
Instead, they’d rather celebrate living women have less bodily autonomy than a corpse.
These self-identified “Christians” are a blight on America.
So blight is the new word for the people you don’t agree with. Your problem is worse than you realize.
No. A blight is forcing one’s personal views on others. Call me when “Christians” are actually oppressed. When they are forced into abortion, or gay marriage, or aren’t wildly over represented in all branches of government.
There’s lots of people I don’t agree with on both sides of the political spectrum. The ones who are a blight are the ones forcing others to follow the man made rules of their particular brand of belief.
Nothing like small government conservatism, unless you’re a woman. Then men, and a woman on the SCOTUS, is gonna allow states to prosecute you for your choices.
The hypocrisy from these supposed small government, get government out of our lives folks is legendary.
This Federalist Society suck. Up0⁰SCOTUS is pathetic.
Until the journey is taken being the same as those who judgements are placed upon there is only underestimated poorly fed assumptions of those who lack understanding of individual choice of oneself.
My body, my choice!! And that goes for everything!!
Your choice to accept the consequences when you refuse to do what will help protect yourself and others from a highly contagious disease. We could have controlled this epidemic a long time ago if people had sensibly responded as we did to polio and smallpox and a lot of other infectious diseases.
Covid is highly contagious, over a million Americans have died of it. No one has ever caught pregnancy from a pregnant woman.
So what irresponsible choice are we really taking about?? The jab doesn’t work.. What does work is to get HEALTHY. Do not be a big fatty and think a shot is going to save your life. But media won’t address that, because it is “fat shaming” .
Forcing me to take the jab, to save your unhealthy lifestyle is inherently wrong on so many levels. And forcing tax payers to take care of your abortion, is also a punch in the face.
BUT, I would rather have abortion allowed all day long – we do not need dirt bags, raising dirt bag kids…read Freakonomics as back up for that agreement. Although, the authors said it in a nicer way….
Kinda obsessed with “fat” are you? I knew someone like that – but he was trying to overcome his hatred of “fat” because he believed a “fat” woman would never leave him because she couldn’t get anyone else.
At age 14 in the late 1950s I was seduced by a man of 32. A doctor told me “You’ve made your bed, now lie on it.” Pregnant and parentless, I went to a drug store and bought multiple medications labeled “Not to be taken by pregnant women” and took them in large quantities. The minuscule fetus was aborted. I was fortunate that I neither died nor had a deformed child, and that 12 years later I could bear within a happy marriage a wanted and loved child who would not otherwise have been born.
Thank you. These are the very common stories the rape apologists are so quick to proclaim don’t happen or that “oh so much good” can come of them.
Deb needs to get out more often to see the efforts of our schools, churches and community groups at providing for children in need.
To say there seems little interest in that is simply untrue.
Now child abortion supporters may show little interest in helping needy children and mothers, because if the child has been dispatched, there’s no need.
Greg I’m wondering – have you yourself adopted a child born in America, or have you ever opened your home to foster children? And truly, kudos if you have. I only know one anti-abortion couple that actually did foster/adopt. I know more pro-choice people that have done so.
If a woman says she is unable or unwilling to carry a pregnancy to term or raise that child, believe her. Absolutely NO ONE knows her situation better she does. And certainly not a bunch of older men off in a building somewhere proving how powerful they are by forcing women to give birth!
How about those church and community groups start working on the other half of the problem by forcing more responsibility on the men who get women pregnant with unwanted children? No woman ever got pregnant by herself. I think some forced vasectomies are in order!
Well said . The bottom line, is this issue does not belong in courts! It is a moral and personal issue and has no business being legislated. Everyone is entitled to their beliefs, but a law??? I am still stunned.
Our country is regressing big time under this Supreme Court. What’s next is the question….
You’re right it doesnt belong in the Supreme court or lower courts. The decision should always have been in our state legislatures and now it is. The decision didnt remove a single right from women, sorry.
Wondering, yes, we couldnt have children so we mentored a boy through his early teens.
Churches do more than you know for children and conservatives donate to charities at double the amount of liberals.
Greg Weirick
You know,I know,we ALL know,this is only getting the foot in the door,for the conservatives and the trump-led SCOTUS (some of them anyway ) to make it a Federal law and decision…where individual States will have no say in it….totally a SCOTUS decision Nationwide.
They want it over-turned in ALL States,no ifs,ands,or buts.
Many of your conservative Governors have already said as much,in their own sneeky way…
You state “conservatives donate to charities at double the amount of Liberals”..LOL !!
I ain’t going to touch that statement with a ten foot pole….
Conservatives only give more to charity if you count their churches as charity. But it’s a lot of double speak to classify as “charity” the expense of the pastor’s new car, an alter makeover, and to settle the lawsuit over what the youth pastor did to that child.
Bodily autonomy is the most basic of rights. You need to be able to own your own body and choose how it is used.
No level of government should be able to take ownership of your own body away from you. Without your permission, you can’t be compelled to give blood, donate an organ, or medically risk your life for another. Without your consent, they can’t even take those things from your corpse.
But forced birthers like you don’t believe women should have the rights to their own bodies. You will force women to risk their lives. You want them to have less rights than a corpse.
But super cool that you think that should be the state’s decision.
Dan
And also,for the conservatives,most of the big-name ones anyway,if their “charity” also includes lining their own pockets with money and some type of scam involved…
I wonder what you would do if you show up expecting healthcare and can’t get it? Scream and yell, wave your arms, stomp your feet ? Just curious.
Many of these men are commenting with zero experience or point of reference beyond what they think they know, and they lack imagination. Let’s get specific for them Kay. What would they do if they can no longer get viagra or cialis, or any other ED treatment. No matter how much they or their doctor says they need it. Not even if it’s being prescribed to treat a prostrate problem or Raynaud’s Syndrome or anything else. The answer is simply no because people in a courtroom far away made a ruling.
Funny, I’ve thought the same thing ! In fact, those meds should only be prescribed to women and the women get to decide who is worthy – LOL !!!
No legislating at all Greg. Not even our state… it’s a personal choice..
Mentoring is nice, but you can’t seriously be comparing mentoring with fostering or adopting!!! That’s beyond delusional.
Just curious: do you think the state legislature should decide what people can and cannot do with their prostate, seminal vesicles, testis, and vas deference, too? Or is that an invasion of privacy, and lawmakers getting involved in the doctor-patient relationship?
Wait, you couldn’t have kids and you didn’t adopt or foster one? Why would you possibly make that choice when every life matters and you and your wife had all the benefit of time and resources?
It is a medical procedure and should have been politized in the first place,
So tell us more about how the churches are caring for the needs of children and families. Would that be by harassing school children over masking? Spreading misinformation tyke has left thousands of children without parents, but I digress.
Are you paying the medical bills for those patents who are under insured and now have to file bankruptcy because their child is ill or medically fragile. After you offering free 24 hour child care so that these mothers can work? Are you assuring that biological fathers are held accountable and paying child support? Are you assuring that children born with disabilities have appropriate education with accommodations if needed and lifetime care if needed and are you paying for that? Are you assuring that mothers are able to receive an education if needed so that they can fully support that child and are you paying for that education so that mothers are saddled with student debt. Are you assuring that all children have after school programs and tutoring of needed free to all families? Specifically for the Eastern Sierra are you assuring that these families have affordable housing or even housing so that they can raise these children on a healthy environment. Are you assuring that all families have enough income so that they don’t have to work 2 or 3 jobs to make ends meet and are you supplementing the income of those struggling to make ends meet so that they have sufficient income to pay and care for these children. Are you paying for programs that help and support families to prevent foster care placement.
Sorry with all due respect I know you what to believe that you are helping mothers by buying some maternity clothes and a couple of packages of diapers but it isn’t meeting the needs of these mothers over the lifetime of these children. What the churches have shown us is that when they truly have to sacrifice comfort as the Bible directs them to to help families they complain and tell people they are being attacked. Local churches have shown their true character when caring for the most vulnerable so maybe you need to sit this one out unless you are willing to start mortgaging your homes and make sacrifices to your own comfort don’t preach to women what they should do because we already know that once that fetus is born and its no longer a novelty you no longer care.
To: Concerned
So glad you are interested in what “the Bible directs”. You might also like to look at: Mark 12:30 and 31, Jer. 1;5, Deut. 32:39 and Ex.21:22.
“….see the efforts of our schools, churches and community groups at providing for children in need.” How about two examples from each, please. should be easy.
Anybody ?
There are many churches and organizations helping people who have unexpected pregnancies and who help as children grow. Each part may seem small, but together we can all do a lot. We can join with these groups to help, but more importantly, we can as individuals reach out to those we meet in our daily lives. We all have a part. Just as Greg was a mentor, some can foster children or adopt. Happily there is a long waiting list of hopeful parents waiting to adopt children in need. Some of us can help with daily necessities or childcare. We all in our small ways can make a big impact!
This is all fine and good for people that chose to bring a birth to term. I applaud these efforts! But forcing a woman to undergo a painful birth against her will is not a christian thing to do, especially if said birth is related to incest, rape or any other trauma.
We live in a very broken world and the answers aren’t always easy. The way we know how a Christian should act is by looking in the Bible. The Bible is clear that rape is horrific and sinful in the eyes of God and should be severely punished. It also says that God knit us together in our mother’s womb. God views every life as valuable. Thou shalt not kill is one of the ten commandments. God is compassionate and we should be too. God also punishes sin. We should make sure that our laws punish rape very harshly and that we offer support to those who have suffered through it! Killing a small life inside the womb is not the answer and it is against God’s law.
So let’s just say christians are correct and that when we all die god will judge us and send everyone to either heaven or hell accordingly. Fine. Then every woman who has chosen to have an abortion, whatever her reasons, will stand before her maker and be judged by god. Leave it at that. It’s between her and God. STAY OUT OF IT! God will punish or reward.
You want to help? Mentor, donate, pat yourself on the back and pretend it’s just like being a full time forever parent. Or better yet actually adopt or foster.
Oh and by the way, for some of you clueless privileged men who keep making comments as if the only reasons women choose abortion is financial or convenience. It’s not. So shut up. Also, unless you, as a man, have been raped, gotten pregnant and had to deal with it, you don’t know and you don’t get to have a say in the matter.
If we follow that scenario, and everyone just “minded their own business” and just waited for God’s judgment, rapists, murderers, thieves, and child molesters would all be able to go about doing whatever they wished. I don’t think any of us would want to live in a society where everyone just turned and looked the other way. We all have opinions and ideas of how to make our world better. We should be encouraging free expression of thought and discussion.
Your “God” argument is wearisome and doesn’t apply. Stop shoving your god nonsense into everybody’s life. Clearly, your god is doing a pretty poor job of managing all those knitting projects left strewn across the planet that are starving, trafficked, homeless, tortured, and forgotten.
I agree that the world has so many people who are suffering! I don’t think that these people aren’t deserving of life! I don’t think we should abort babies to stop homelessness, trafficking, starvation or other horrible things that are happening. We should work on fixing the problems!
Ok. The problem is that there are too many babies being born.
The birthrate in the US has been declining every year since 2008 with the exception of 2014.
sweetie – the planet is much more than the US and the population has grown to the point of famine in some regions
……the global birthrate has dropped as well.
The Bible is FULL of rape. I guess you haven’t read it.
The Bible is FULL of the depravity of men and women. It is also FULL of redemption and salvation.
Those pathetically small ways are making a pathetically small impact…
I agree that we should all be doing more and encouraging others to do more!
So what are you and your church groups doing to PREVENT unwanted pregnancies rather than try to fix all the problems unwanted children and overpopulation causes? And please don’t start with the abstinence talk. We all know that doesn’t work. Not even for your Virgin Mary.
Besides Dan’s fantastic idea about forced vasectomies I haven’t seen any suggestions how to spread some responsibility to the men, who by the way, are genetically responsible for 100% of pregnancies.
And all of you fine folks are helping needy mothers who chose to have their child how?
The attacks on Noel and I are atrocious, but fortunately you folks are only a small minority of the mostly decent pro choice people.
How many of you have done ANYTHING for young families needing help.? I thought so.
And how do you know I had the resources to adopt instead of mentoring?
Evil lives in your angry hearts.
Now attack me again.
I’m wondering if you can drill down into your rationale a little deeper to help me understand why not having the resources to adopt prevented you from adopting, and why the same lack of resources to raise a child is not a legitimate reason for women who find themselves with an unintended or unwanted pregnancy.
You are not the victim here and now you are claiming to be a victim when you are being held accountable for your hypocrisy. You didn’t respond to my previous comment which probably means you really aren’t willing to make sacrifices to help women and children but you want the perception that you are the saviors. If you are winning to make true sacrifices to help these families including giving up your own resources then don’t demand that women give birth to babies and children they can’t care for.
And abortion has a strong impact on helping poor and homeless get back on their feet more than all the other social services?
How many efforts have sny of you made to improve society so families can thrive?
Silence, of course, saving our society thats already doomed doesnt matter.
Good grief, ive heard it all.
The US already had one of the lowest birth rates in the world, but I guess any child born is one too many?
God help us one and all because evil is taking over
“….see the efforts of our schools, churches and community groups at providing for children in need.” How about two examples from each, please. should be easy.
Delusion is ignoring that the power players in the Democrat machine love seeing you all screAm and yell while they are grabbing power by undermining our decent society in every way they can. Please open your eyed to reality!
Do you know what one of the biggest socioeconomic factors that keep counties prosperous is? Educated women in the workforce! You want to keep America great Greg? Women need to be able to have control over their own bodies. They need to decide if and when they give birth and to how many children. They need to have the power to pursue their education, to enter and remain in the work force, to pay their taxes, to support their family and their society, their church even, to the best of their abilities.
Millions of women who would be in school or the workforce brought down to living in poverty and on welfare with a gaggle of unwanted children who will likely continue the poverty and welfare cycle does not do anyone, or the county, any good.
There are thousands of older children waiting to be adopted, however there aren’t waiting lists to adopt those children. Those waiting lists are for babies and those adoptive parents generally want perfect white babies. If the baby has is medically fragile then then prospective parents generally would choose not to go through with the adoption. The reality is we don’t need your small ways to make an impact we need policies thar help give these mothers a hand up, and many of those same people are celebrating Roe right now have also refused to provide safety nets for families. Your 2 hours of babysitting or hour of mentoring isn’t going to matter if the mother can’t provide for her family
Those wanting to become mothers need to first look at the purse of the sperm donor to assure funds will be available to provide for the child.
Dear Concerned,
I do not believe these precious children’s lives are worthless because they were born to poor families or because they are ” medically challenged”. Every life is precious. I agree with you that we all should be doing more to help these children and families. Ending a human life with its own heartbeat and DNA is not the solution!
Regarding that “heart” beat: The thing we call a “heart” is not present as an organ until at least 20 weeks gestation. The so-called “heartbeat” of an embryo is created by the ultrasound machine. There is no heart, there is no “heartbeat” and the undifferentiated cluster of cells is just as, if not more likely, to be passed out of the woman’s body as it is to be born several months later.
A baby’s heart begins to beat 5 weeks after conception, before most women even know that they are pregnant. At 6 weeks the baby’s tiny fingers and toes begin to form. 5 weeks later fingerprints begin to form. Brain activity starts by week 10. This baby also has his/her own unique DNA.
So what solutions do you offer. You say you want life to be valued, Do you wear a mask to prevent the spread of Covid-19 to protect those who maybe compromised? If you couldn’t be bothered to wear a mask, get vaccinations and follow precautions or did you attend weekly super spreader events maskless then claim my body my choice. If you weren’t willing to make sacrifices during Covid-19 to save lives, you have shown us how you truly value lives. Over a million people died thousands of children lost parents yet many who claim to be pro life wouldn’t sacrifice their own comfort. You actions spoke loudly and now when you say you care about families and mothers we know it’s lip service. You had a chance to show us that lives matter and now we really don’t believe you.
Dear Concerned, I did take the Covid virus seriously. I was concerned about spreading the virus to the elderly and to vulnerable people. I stayed home, and masked and used gallons of hand sanitizer on the very rare occasion that I left the house. When masks (at least the cloth kind) didn’t work as well as we all had hoped, I still wore a mask out of respect for those who felt differently and were uncomfortable around the unmasked. People can have sincerely held beliefs on both the pro-choice or pro-life side and still have a large range of differing views about Covid.
Also 40% of adopted children are a different race than their adopted parents. I agree that it is outrageous that so many older children spend so much time through the red tape of our foster care system before being adopted. One third of couples in the US have considered adoption. We should absolutely be making laws to make it easier for these people to adopt!
Considered adopting?!! Probably about the same percentage that have “considered” sky diving. If just a fraction of all those that have considered adoption actually did more than give it a passing thought, there wouldn’t be so many children in foster care.
And I’m still waiting to hear what you all are doing on the prevention end. And Kay is still waiting on her 2 examples.
I will not be naming organizations and groups that are helping children and families to be judged on this platform. We should be encouraging people to continue and even to do more, not trying to discourage and discredit them. Let’s just say for a moment that every prolife person is a hypocrite and never did anything to help anyone…..ever. That still would not change the fact that a human life is valuable and every innocent embryo deserves the right to life.
Here’s the thing – No one is arguing with you or Greg that people need help and those who can help should. Abortion is not about a charity competition to see what group of people can give more. Loosing the right to abortion is about women loosing the agency over their own bodies. Loosing the control to make their own decisions about whether or not to give birth and when. Loosing their right to basic lifesaving healthcare when something goes wrong with a pregnancy they might have wanted and planned for. Being forced in some cases to continue to be traumatized way beyond what you as a man could ever imagine by having to give birth to a violent rapist’s baby. And that’s just the start.
As you keep ignoring questions about prevention and mens lack of responsibility in unwanted pregnancies, I’m guessing you are even anti-contraception as well. Are men so afraid of woman’s power to bring life into the world they feel they must control it to such a crazy degree? The world cannot support billions more people.
Dear Let’s talk prevention. First let me say that I am a woman. I think it is important to listen to where people are coming from and not just assume who they are and what they believe. I believe in contraception that isn’t abortive. I believe that an unborn human has the equal right to live just as we do. I don’t believe that taking any innocent life is the best answer. We need to be looking at the ways to sove problems that cause the least harm to both mother and unborn baby.
Dear Let’s talk prevention, I believe that we all have bodily autonomy. We can not however hurt another human who also has bodily autonomy. Most of us would say that it would not be OK for someone who was pregnant to take substances to purposely cause physical injury and to deform their unborn child. We would put in the category of child abuse! There are two human lives and when a medical emergency occurs where the mothers life is truly at risk it becomes a triage situation. We must absolutely save the mother! I do not want any woman to die.
If a free workshop on skydiving was going to be held near you, and everyone would get a chance to skydive at the end, wouldn’t you try it? I know that I would!
And are your church groups willing to cut the red tape for ALL couples that want to adopt? Including same sex couples or even thruples?
Adoption by same sex couples is already legal in all 50 states.
And Pride festivals and parades are legal as well. But that sure didn’t stop the throngs of church leaders and christians from ranting and spewing hate and trying to put a stop to Bishop’s recent festival and the proclamations by the county and city. So many people claiming the love of god yet doing their devil’s work by spreading hate and fear and judgement.
I didn’t ask about legality.
Dear Let’s talk prevention, I know emotions can run high when we are talking about things that truly matter to us. You are right that hate gets us nowhere. Hopefully we can all discuss what we believe without using hate.
So let’s come back to reality is more adoption is not going to stop abortions, Giving up a baby can be very traumatic and it’s complex legally and emotionally. Do you support adoptions non trading families. Because some of the same people preaching adoption wont support an adoption by a gay coup,e or family. These are children not puppies from a shelter, I value life and I would rather see babies live, but these mothers and families need help and not just a pack of diapers or a few hours of mentoring, Refer to my previous comments and answer those questions and what you are going to do not only personally but with your vote, How are you going to show birth mons that they won’t have to live in poverty and she will be supported if she choose to have the baby, The problem is thar you are not dealing in reality only in fantasy and that’s not going to feed a child or help a desperate mom trying to decide what to do.
Dear Concerned, First of all thank you for being so passionate about all of these issues that matter to children and families. We need more people who care like you do, and who are working to make things better. We may disagree on a few points, but I am so happy that you value life as I do. Since this platform is very public, I will not be sharing a lot of details about what I am doing personally. I do support laws and legislation that help children and families and I vote accordingly. Throughout my life I have given, volunteered, and worked to and for organizations that give practical help and support to those who need it. I am most passionate about children receiving the best care in all aspects of life. I want them to have the best medical care, the best education and nutrition and a network and family who care about them and love them. I strive to make a difference and make things better. Thank you for encouraging us all to do more.