Fish and Game Information Officer responds to deformed fish concern

Deformed fish planted by DFG in Gull Lake.

In recent days, one of Sierra Wave Media’s website commenters took a photo of what he described as about 15 dead and deformed fish. The fish were abnormally swollen with tumor-like lumps. He was unable to get any response from Fish and Game. Now, we have some information.

Andrew Hughan, Public Information Officer for Fish and Game in Sacramento, looked into the report of the bad fish. We also sent him the photo forwarded to us. You can see it on our website.

Hughan said, “These fish are not representative of what we hope the public identifies as a DFG planted fish. There are always deformities present in nature and in raised fish, especially in the bottom ponds of the raceways where weaker fish tend to congregate. Unfortunately Gull Lake was the recipient of such a group of fish,” he said.

Hughan said these deformities sometimes are due to diseases such as cold water disease which the fish survives at an early stage, but is left with physical abnormalities the remainder of its life. He said, “Often these instances are due to genetic anomalies. The department” Hughan said, “is seeing more of these abnormalities than in the past due to the recent conversion to triploid fish. When you subject the eggs to the pressures of captive rearing and the triploid process (to obtain sterility) you are in a very small number of cases affecting the physical attributes of the trout.”

In a related issue, Senate Bill 1148, now under debate as impacting hatchery funds, apparently proposes the stocking of triploid or sterile fish wherever possible, according to CalTrout. That group says sterile fish grow faster and “provide the kind of angling experience sought by the majority of anglers.” The Gull Lake anglers may disagree.

Andrew Hughan maintains that the deformities seen at Gull Lake are rare. He said, “The Department of Fish and Game spawns, raises and releases millions of trout to stock California’s lakes, rivers and streams every year and these deformities are an extremely small percentage, less than 1%, of the fish produced.”

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Indygal
Indygal
6 years ago

I have always said that everyone in America should spend at least 6 months working in the service industry, so that they would understand the pride in service and have respect for service industry workers. I have worked in the service industry for 34 years, and am not above cleaning… Read more »

Racism not so disguised
Racism not so disguised
10 years ago

“I wonder how people can afford those $40,000 SUVs” (people in this case means Mexican-Americans) I don’t know where you live, but in Mammoth Lakes, they take the free trolley, ride bicycles, or walk to their service-oriented, low-paying jobs. I’m wondering if you also support trying to build a wall… Read more »

Big AL
Big AL
10 years ago

Seee Dr. Facts, I didn’t read any of your posts here .. just thumbed them down for ya buddy. It’s the same stuff just wiped around some.

Big Rick OB
Big Rick OB
10 years ago

Well said,Jean. It’s time to stop all this (political correctness) BS and for Law Enforcement, Federal,State AND local, to uphold the law…ALL laws, whether they’re popular or not.

Big AL
Big AL
10 years ago

Yes I totally agree Jean, That’s just it ,, you are not wrong for your views, but those who feel everything has to be politically correct will label you and I and others who feel this way as haters, or intolerant. There’s no hate in your views, just seeing it… Read more »

Benett Kessler
Benett Kessler
10 years ago
Reply to  Big AL

There’s a difference between “political correctness”, i.e. phoniness, and honest assessment of human beings. Making negative statements about people, specifying their race, leads to the danger of painting all people of that race with some kind of bad behavior. We owe it to others and ourselves not to make unfair… Read more »

Racism through the ages
Racism through the ages
10 years ago
Reply to  Benett Kessler

Well put, Benett.
I sense that racism has been going on for so many generations now in their community, the racists no longer believe that stereotyping an entire group of people is harmful in any way.
And those that point out their erroneous and backwoods thinking are also demonized.

Jon
Jon
10 years ago

Really???? Two Hundred and Nine comments on this story???? Really???

Big AL
Big AL
10 years ago
Reply to  Jon

Yeah Jon .. but looked how it morphed.

misperception
misperception
10 years ago

Bikes, public transportation, and walking is how I see my Mexican-America brothers and sisters getting around town.
Must be different in Bishop, I guess.

JeanGenie
JeanGenie
10 years ago

Sorry Benett, Relating something I observe does not make me a racist. If it were an isolated incident I wouldn’t mention it.To borrow a term from the mental health arena, “its the big pink elephant in the middle of the living room” that we are supposed to ignore if we… Read more »

Benett Kessler
Benett Kessler
10 years ago
Reply to  JeanGenie

That’s true, and seeing one family do one thing does not a pattern make.
BK

Big AL
Big AL
10 years ago
Reply to  Benett Kessler

I don’t think he was being racist Benett and that really proves my point .. he mentioned a scenario, now it sounds racist, when it really isn’t .. but it seems you can not make any sort of an observation like that with out someone saying it is racist ..… Read more »

Benett Kessler
Benett Kessler
10 years ago
Reply to  Big AL

You are right. It’s not a problem unless hate or fear is involved. Then, it becomes an unfair judgment. I remember talking to former Mammoth Police Chief Bruce McAffee when the Hispanic population began to grow in town, and citizens started accusing the Hispanic people of committing all the crimes.… Read more »

Big AL
Big AL
10 years ago
Reply to  Benett Kessler

Yes I agree Benett, Really if you simply look at the reports of crime .. take for instance Mammoth as we are discussing mammoth here no on this thread .. take a consensus from them and see how many whit people .. Anglos or causasions .. etc .. are involved… Read more »

JeanGenie
JeanGenie
10 years ago
Reply to  Benett Kessler

One more thing, does Mammoth PD keeps records that would indicate the ethnic/racial makeup of convicted criminals? If so just publish the statistics. The numbers speak for themselves.

stereotyping
stereotyping
10 years ago
Reply to  Benett Kessler

We define stereotyping as a generalization about a group of people whereby we attribute a defined set of characteristics to this group based on their appearance or our assumptions. Why do we form opinions about other people based on their appearance, posture, language, and so on? We do this because… Read more »

Benett Kessler
Benett Kessler
10 years ago
Reply to  stereotyping

Making judgments based on appearances comes from fear, mostly. We feel internal fear or lack of confidence and try to dismiss those feelings by making someone worse or inferior to us. If you find yourself judging others, stop and look inside.
Benett Kessler

Racism in the U.S.
Racism in the U.S.
10 years ago
Reply to  Benett Kessler

Right on, Benett. And if I may add, I made note that after watching both political conventions now, nobody mentioned anything about the wall in the southern US to “keep the illegals out.” I don’t see that sort of racist hatred on this blog, but there are a lot of… Read more »

Big AL
Big AL
10 years ago
Reply to  stereotyping

Good post Dr. Facts!

JeanGenie
JeanGenie
10 years ago
Reply to  Benett Kessler

Benett, I said, “if it were an isolated incident” I admit, I have never seen any other ethnic group netting trout, and this was a big blanket size net that you throw into the water, not a regular handheld net. But I’ve also seen over and over Latinos leaving huge… Read more »

Benett Kessler
Benett Kessler
10 years ago
Reply to  JeanGenie

This may be your truth. Others have not witnessed what you have nor feel the angst that you do.
What is your solution?
Benett

Big AL
Big AL
10 years ago
Reply to  Benett Kessler

No Benett you can not make that statement .. that others have not seen these things, because we all hear it at times from people .. not just one ..so that is not a correct statement. And not all as I always point out do what jean is saying but… Read more »

Benett Kessler
Benett Kessler
10 years ago
Reply to  Big AL

Big Al, Not sure which statement of mine you were opposing. We must all be careful not to jump to generalized conclusions because we have seen a few things and heard a few things. The Hispanic people I know and have known are lovely, thoughtful, considerate and hard-working people. Of… Read more »

Big AL
Big AL
10 years ago
Reply to  Benett Kessler

Benett, your statement to Jean … about no one else witnessing the problem he is talking about, nor feeling the angst .. because others have seen, and do feel frustrated with it.

Benett Kessler
Benett Kessler
10 years ago
Reply to  Big AL

I stand by my earlier response to you. Don’t jump to general conclusions based on single experiences.
BK

Big AL
Big AL
10 years ago
Reply to  Benett Kessler

but wait… facts, and truth .. aren’t they really the same thing?

Benett Kessler
Benett Kessler
10 years ago
Reply to  Big AL

No. They are not. The news looks first at facts presented. Truth is a much bigger realization
that takes time, patience and work to find.
BK

Big AL
Big AL
10 years ago
Reply to  Benett Kessler

Well I still stand on my point of view, that you can not say to JeanGenie, that he is the only one who can claim to have observed these things. “This may be your truth. Others have not witnessed what you have nor feel the angst that you do.” This… Read more »

Benett Kessler
Benett Kessler
10 years ago
Reply to  Big AL

Truth is a bigger realization than individual facts. There was no statement that JeanGenie was the only one to see something, just that others may not see it this way. Please, Big Al, just consider that racial profiling and hate for a race enters very dangerous territory on how we… Read more »

ethnic conflict
ethnic conflict
10 years ago
Reply to  JeanGenie

Dear JeanGenie: Ethnic hatred, inter-ethnic hatred, racial hatred, or ethnic tension refers to feelings and acts of prejudice and hostility towards an ethnic group in various degrees. There are multiple origins for ethnic hatred and the resulting ethnic conflicts. In some societies it is rooted in tribalism, while in others… Read more »

JeanGenie
JeanGenie
10 years ago

Benett and Ethnic, I don’t hate anybody, most people or situations are not worthy of wasting energy on such a strong emotion. At the risk of sounding cliche’ I like most Mexicans and Mexico, thats why I enjoy traveling there. My solution, if I was in charge, would be to… Read more »

Learn from the Mexican-
Learn from the Mexican-
10 years ago
Reply to  JeanGenie

Wow! I never would have dreamed there was so much racial division in Bishop. Here in Mammoth Lakes, our Mexican-American brothers and sisters are accepted and appreciated for all the hard work they do in the service sector of this town’s tourist economy. And they work for peanuts. Caucasians could… Read more »

Can't hide the racism
Can't hide the racism
10 years ago
Reply to  JeanGenie

Shame on you Jean.

Big AL
Big AL
10 years ago
Reply to  JeanGenie

Jean, I understood what you are saying, even if some do not see it or want to see the truth in it.

Opportunity to examine racism
Opportunity to examine racism
10 years ago

Big Rick (you guys with those “Big” monikers crack me up!) your racism is showing. There’s always opportunities to take a look at how deep one’s racism goes. To answer your question: You are probably not very budget conscious with your dough. A lot of Mexican Americans come from dire… Read more »

Big AL
Big AL
10 years ago

Uhoh Rick .. now you will get sucked in like Trouble did in Dr. Facts imagination, you will be one of my alter egos LOL.

Big Rick OB
Big Rick OB
10 years ago

First of all…I’m 6’4″,280 lbs, .what should I call myself , Little Rick? Second of all, there’s not ONE ounce of racism in my comment. I simply stated that poor,under-paid people cannot afford Escalades or Navigators. Don’t you agree? And lastly…I am VERY conscious of “my dough”. I just happen… Read more »

Stereotypes
Stereotypes
10 years ago
Reply to  Big Rick OB

I don’t know where YOU live Big, but those ultra-polite, willing-to-work for peanuts (and work harder than you have probably ever worked in your live) fine Mexican-Americans (you could learn some manners from them) ride bicycles, car-pool to work, or walk. Your stereotype of people of color driving “Escalades or… Read more »

Big Rick OB
Big Rick OB
10 years ago
Reply to  Stereotypes

To I wish I knew your name, Stereotype….Please let me know where this SUV dealership is that sells 40,000.00 vehicles (FOR PEANUTS).

Discriminatory judgement
Discriminatory judgement
10 years ago
Reply to  Big Rick OB

Dear Big Rick, When people judge people and groups based on our prejudices and stereotypes and treat them differently, we are discriminating them based on no fact. This discrimination can take many forms. We may create subtle or overt pressures which will discourage persons of certain minority groups from living… Read more »

Mark
Mark
10 years ago
Reply to  Big Rick OB

If Big Rick can gain another 100lbs we could call him “Tiny”.

Mexican-American Constituents
Mexican-American Constituents
10 years ago

Your racism is showing Chet. The fine Mexican-Americans who are in the service sector of Mammoth Lakes (Clearly the economic engine of Mono County) are NOT “illegal immigrants” You’ve been listening to too much Limbaugh. But what is truly mysterious is that one Mono County Supervisor has the wealthiest constituents… Read more »

Can you say Hypocrite?
Can you say Hypocrite?
10 years ago

Supervisor Larry Johnson’s agenda focuses on lowering salaries for government employees, removing transportation costs to middle-of-nowhere Bridgeport, and says absolutely nothing about what he’ll do for the underpaid Mexican-American workers that make up the bulk of Mammoth’s workforce and are the bulk of the constituents in his district, and has… Read more »

Big Rick OB
Big Rick OB
10 years ago

If all of the Mexican-American workers in Mammoth are so (under paid), why am I driving a 18 year old truck and most of them are driving brand new, gas guzzling SUV’S that cost well in excess of 40,000.00 dollars ? Just sayin’.

Big AL
Big AL
10 years ago
Reply to  Big Rick OB

You’re right there Big Rick .. but we are racist for even thinking that .. lol But those people work their asses off usually more than one job, man and wife.

JeanGenie
JeanGenie
10 years ago
Reply to  Big Rick OB

Big Rick, Don’t forget those big rims and skinny tires, those are about $800/wheel. Not to mention you can’t really chain them. I was camping at Kern River once and saw a family of hispanics netting trout out of the river. When they knew they’d been spotted they put the… Read more »

Benett Kessler
Benett Kessler
10 years ago
Reply to  JeanGenie

This is sounding racist. Let’s face it – people of all stripes do wrong things.
Benett

Wayne Deja
Wayne Deja
10 years ago
Reply to  JeanGenie

JeanGenie…I was in Independence a few years ago waiting on the Inyo Sheriffs’ debate,and took a walk along the creek and found a couple of WHITE guys with a net across the creek trying to catch fish…Instead of calling DFG,knowing if I did,it would take hours,days for them to respond,after… Read more »

Mark
Mark
10 years ago
Reply to  JeanGenie

Sounding racist? Not even close, big rims and narrow tires is a stereo type. Netting fish is nothing more then breaking the law.

I wouldn’t even waste my time reporting it.

sierragrl
sierragrl
10 years ago
Reply to  JeanGenie

in today’s world, mentioning someone’s ethnicity or race counts as being racist. instead of actually applying some sort of prejudice, which is racist. not to mention, hispanics are caucasians so kinda hard to be ‘racist’ against them, they’re the same race as the supposed offenders.

"Big Rick's" observation
"Big Rick's" observation
10 years ago
Reply to  Big Rick OB

From the keyboard of “Big Rick” : “If all of the Mexican-American workers in Mammoth are so (under paid), why am I driving a 18 year old truck and most of them are driving brand new, gas guzzling SUV’S that cost well in excess of 40,000.00 dollars ?” I don’t… Read more »

johnjcampnfish
johnjcampnfish
10 years ago

It would be interesting to learn just how many of that constituent bulk is actually elgible/registered to vote. I would also go out on a limb and say that they don’t care if that rainbow they are catching and eating is a genetically pure native as long as it doesn’t… Read more »

Political Vendetta?
Political Vendetta?
10 years ago

When Larry and his wife were living high on the hog,( both receiving humungous salaries from local government), all was cool. Then one of them lost their job, the other resigned for some unexplained reason, and now Larry is back and appears to be on a not-so-hidden agenda to get… Read more »

Benett Kessler
Benett Kessler
10 years ago

You have stated some of these things before. To take up another possible version – maybe he sees money problems in government and wants to cut back. Not everything is personal, and a victory is a victory – four votes or one.
Benett Kessler

Do as I say - not as I do
Do as I say - not as I do
10 years ago
Reply to  Benett Kessler

Perhaps another and more viable solution in “seeing money problems in government and wanting to cut back” would be to voluntarily refund the exact amount he and his wife were “overpaid” when the both of them were employed with taxpayers dollars. But perhaps he believes they were not overpaid as… Read more »

lead by example
lead by example
10 years ago

Since Johnston views his fellows as “all making too much money” I’m waiting for him to offer a personal rebate to show good example, for when he and Mrs. Johnston were also “making too much money.” Meanwhile, since the bulk of his district is made up of Mexican-Americans, and he… Read more »

Chet
Chet
10 years ago

From trout deformities to the governmental representation of illegal immigrants!?! Only in Mammoth.

Big AL
Big AL
10 years ago
Reply to  Chet

I know Chet … classic isn’t?

Big AL
Big AL
10 years ago
Reply to  Big AL

But you see Chet, that makes you racist, the sort of reaction you can expect from people like Dr. Facts … everything is about political correctness and if you don’t see it they way they do .. you are wrong in some way … either being racist (in your case… Read more »

sounds like a duck
sounds like a duck
10 years ago
Reply to  Big AL

You sound like the other windbag, Big – Limbaugh.

Schizoid Personality Disorder
Schizoid Personality Disorder
10 years ago
Reply to  Big AL

6:49 – “Big Al” posts his biased nonsenst 6:50 – “Trouble concurs with “Big Al” ( moments later) 6:53 – “Big Al” concurs with “Trouble” and suggests everyone else is crazy. Ever heard of the term schizoid personality disorder? Here ya go: Schizoid personality disorder (SPD) is a personality disorder… Read more »

Trouble
Trouble
10 years ago

Schizoid- take our pill

sad state of affairs
sad state of affairs
10 years ago

When posting on this blog, it is mechanically impossible to respond as quickly to each other’s comments that Big Al (6:49), “Trouble” (6:50), and “Big Al” again (6:53) has been trying to do to affirm “each other’s comments. Find a more fulfilling hobby “Trouble”/ “Big.” This is the kind of… Read more »

Trouble
Trouble
10 years ago

Sad State- Are you suggesting I have a spilt personality or that I generally disagree with your nut ball comments?

Big AL
Big AL
10 years ago

LOL Dr. Facts good one!

Trouble
Trouble
10 years ago
Reply to  Chet

Chet- your totally right, but since I like causing Trouble, I want to bring up the great wall we are building along our borders right now. I think it is a total disgrace to be building a wall for any reason. I can’t believe anybody would approve of that. Liberal… Read more »

Big AL
Big AL
10 years ago
Reply to  Trouble

I’m totally with you on this one Trouble .. now you went an done it! … from trout deformities to the Great wall of North America .. hehe. Let’s see what Dr. Facts has to say about this can’t wait.

Big AL
Big AL
10 years ago
Reply to  Big AL

Um .. are they making this wall wide enough to drive a tank up and down it?

spotlight
spotlight
10 years ago
Reply to  Chet

Gotta shed the light on the BS Chet –
Where ever and whenever it pops up.
Fishing is not the economic engine of the area
and Mexican Americans are not demons.

Trouble
Trouble
10 years ago
Reply to  spotlight

Spotlight- Fishing is a large part of Bishops tourism. We have four tackle shops and at least 8 of our retail places have large fish and tackle areas. I think our countries greed brings out most of our demons .

Big AL
Big AL
10 years ago
Reply to  Trouble

OK so for the record … Trouble posted last 5:18 am I am posting now … 7:42 I love how you demonized Chet, for a comment I made .. you can’t even think straight in your stories Dr. Facts Sorry Trouble hehe … to get you sided with me, the… Read more »

Hates facts
Hates facts
10 years ago
Reply to  Big AL

Not fooling anyone, Big.
Your nonstop caustic posts tell it all.
The type that hates factual presentations.
Obsessed with the demonization of facts, …
as a matter of fact.

Trouble
Trouble
10 years ago
Reply to  Big AL

Big Al- I think Dr. Facts needs intervention.

Big AL
Big AL
10 years ago
Reply to  Big AL

I hear ya trouble .. delussional at best.

Demonizes Facts
Demonizes Facts
10 years ago
Reply to  Big AL

The resident neocon tag-team on this blog (Big Al, Big Trouble, whatever) views facts presented the way their hero Rush Limbaugh views facts presented – “Hey! That’s Not Fair!” These so-called conservative types sadly believe everyone should all subscribe to Limbaughism. (I wonder why they are living in very liberal… Read more »

Ken Warner
Ken Warner
10 years ago

“Good Luck (or somebody) wrote on August 24, 2012 at 9:21 am # The service-sector of our community should be applauded – not devalued. And thank goodness there are others on this blog that agree to also applaud the over-worked and undrpaid [underpaid] those who do the “crappy jobs”. Best… Read more »

The spirit of service
The spirit of service
10 years ago
Reply to  Ken Warner

Ken, In one way or another, we are all here to serve.
With diligent effort, the mind can be trained to understand this, resulting in a person being on the path to tranquility.

Diversity on County Board needed
Diversity on County Board needed
10 years ago
Reply to  Ken Warner

Nearly half the population of Mammoth is made up of people of Mexican origin. The vast majority of them are in the service sector of our community that does not pay all that well (as Ken Warner likes to point out to us). These people are some of the most… Read more »

Ken Warner
Ken Warner
10 years ago

I’d vote for that. I think the City Council of Mammoth should be half Hispanic along with many of the appointed positions. And I’d also like to see SEIU more active here. There needs to be more balance and more fairness in employment not only in Mammoth but in the… Read more »

Poor political posturing
Poor political posturing
10 years ago
Reply to  Ken Warner

You are right on, Ken. It’s absurd that an elected official for the county or town would think he or she is qualified to understand the needs, wants, and culture of a group of people that make up half the population of Mammoth Lakes – the Mexican community.

JeanGenie
JeanGenie
10 years ago
Reply to  Ken Warner

Ken etal, The City Council is elected, you can’t force the ethnic makeup.

Big AL
Big AL
10 years ago

Dr. Facts, this shows how much you know about the Hispanic population. As noble as your thoughts are, you have no idea of who they really are. Not all Hispanics are of Mexican decent, the Hispanic community is diversly made up of several different nationalities. So many people unknowingly demean… Read more »

Mexicans need representation
Mexicans need representation
10 years ago
Reply to  Big AL

Your ignorance on this matter is showing once again, “Big.” You obviously have never even had a discussion with any of our brothers or sisters from Mexico. Simply ask them about this and see how “big” you are on this subject. Mexicans in Mammoth Lakes prefer to be refered to… Read more »

Big AL
Big AL
10 years ago

I’m so glad you see me as ignorant and arrogant Dr. Facts, it just puts the mirror in your hand.

Town needs fair representation
Town needs fair representation
10 years ago
Reply to  Big AL

The origin of early California is clearly Spanish. For the first half of the Twentieth Century, Hispanic representation remained very limited, partly because the Mexican-American population of most counties did not make up a majority of most communities. However, in addition to poll taxes occuring in states such as Texas,… Read more »

Big AL
Big AL
10 years ago

Well I’m glad to see you used the word Latino, it means the same as Hispanic BTW. Yes the History of much of California and the south East is mostly of Spanish influence. It was claimed by Spain at first. Then Mexico laid claim to parts of it in its… Read more »

Mexican info (facts)
Mexican info (facts)
10 years ago
Reply to  Big AL

Big Al hates to hear anything factual. (Hard to play the Limbaugh-game with facts, I suppose) : > The opposite of facts would be bull- (expletive deleted) and that’s what too many cling to today. Sorry, Big, but here comes more facts for you to give a thumbs-down to :… Read more »

Mexican County Supervisor?
Mexican County Supervisor?
10 years ago

While the percentage of Mexican American elected officials is not representative of their total U.S. population, significant changes have taken place since the mid-1960s. The number of state legislators in 1950 with Spanish surnames totaled 20. By the late 1980s the number had increased to 90. In 1991 the National… Read more »

Why are they being ignored?
Why are they being ignored?
10 years ago

It’s no secret that half the population of Mammoth Lakes is Mexican-American. Yet this group has no voice whatsoever on the town council or in Mono County.
This is absurd in a tourist community where service is the mainstream of the economy and many of which are Mexican-American.

Big AL
Big AL
10 years ago

Pretty good there .. you pretty much just backed up what I originally said. That not all people who are of Spanish decent here, are Mexican. I didn’t need to present a whole bunch of facts to prove what I was saying .. but then I guess I appear to… Read more »

Trouble
Trouble
10 years ago
Reply to  Big AL

Totally agree with ya one this one Al. Hope my kids understand this some day.

Ken Warner
Ken Warner
10 years ago

And most people on the East Side make even less because they only have tourism jobs available to them. So keep on romanticizing low paying jobs and attacking anybody who suggests looking for new industries for the East Side. That’s what MMSA and their big holding companies want you to… Read more »

Sour Grapes
Sour Grapes
10 years ago

Here ya go. From CNEW News – http://news.cnet.com/Is-IT-hiring-picking-up/2100-1022_3-5418331.html ‘Ken Warner, who has 15 years of experience as a Unix programmer, is a case in point. The Mammoth Lakes, Calif., resident hasn’t been able to get work since mid-2001, despite applying for more than 100 jobs. “I doubt if I ever… Read more »

Ken Warner
Ken Warner
10 years ago
Reply to  Sour Grapes

Oh thanks, forgot about that. So you actually looked me up on the internet? You must really hate me for some reason to go through all that. But I can use what you found to demonstrate what I’ve been trying to tell you all from a more personal perspective. I’m… Read more »

Good Luck
Good Luck
10 years ago
Reply to  Ken Warner

Ken Warner likes to do research on everything to support his point of view and offers URLs (see post above) to support his rants but does not like it one bit when others do the same to support their position calling it “creepy.” His qualifications more closely match jobs found… Read more »

Ken Warner
Ken Warner
10 years ago
Reply to  Good Luck

Well, I know this is pointless. Rick is beyond reason. But for the record I said: “But I’ll say this one more time — It’s the jobs in the service sector that suck — not the people — and I want more better opportunities for them. I’ve done those jobs… Read more »

Best of the Service Sector
Best of the Service Sector
10 years ago
Reply to  Ken Warner

We know, we know … (BELIEVE me we know)
wouldn’t be caught dead doing what our service sector does to pay the rent.
So, what are you doing in a service-sector economy?

JeanGenie
JeanGenie
10 years ago
Reply to  Ken Warner

Ken, Some people are not smart enough for “more better” opportunities, and some wouldn’t want them if they had them. Not everybody resents having to clean up after other people, and I for one, would like a human to be my bartender.

Ken Warner
Ken Warner
10 years ago
Reply to  JeanGenie

Don’t under estimate your capabilities. I’m no genius and I made it through university. You just have to be scared to fail. You’d be surprised how motivated you can get when you can envision what failure would bring. And true, some people’s natural level is not in the technical fields.… Read more »

Big AL
Big AL
10 years ago
Reply to  Ken Warner

Ken … what keeps the companies away? Think about it? How much land is available here in the Eastern Sierras for development? Oh sure I know what you will say .. well they tried to develop the Mammoth airport, They have the Mammoth industrial complex … well yes .. Is… Read more »

Ken Warner
Ken Warner
10 years ago
Reply to  Big AL

“But getting back to the Eastern Sierras .. and what keeps that sort of industry from coming here ..” That’s a question I can’t answer. It’s not something that would happen over night. It is something that could happen over time. Yes, the airport and industrial park and think of… Read more »

Ken Warner
Ken Warner
10 years ago
Reply to  Big AL

And just for further clarification. What I probably meant when I wrote: “I doubt if I ever will work as a programmer again,” he said in an e-mail. “I’ve pretty much stopped sending out my resume.” What I probably meant was that I would probably never work as a UNIX/C/X-windows… Read more »

Good Luck
Good Luck
10 years ago
Reply to  Ken Warner

The service-sector of our community should be applauded – not devalued. And thank goodness there are others on this blog that agree to also applaud the over-worked and undrpaid those who do the “crappy jobs”.
Best of luck in your robotics business.

What's in a name?
What's in a name?
10 years ago
Reply to  Big AL

Wow!
That’s a lot of information to digest there Big.
Quite unusual and civil-sounding (for the most part) as well.
Have to start referring to as Nurse Facts.
: >

Big AL
Big AL
10 years ago

Thank you Dr. Facts … for the most part eh?

Trouble
Trouble
10 years ago
Reply to  Sour Grapes

Sour Grapes- your personal attack on a person that is just blogging his beliefs is shameful at best.

It's how you look at it
It's how you look at it
10 years ago
Reply to  Trouble

Some are revolted by the way some people must make ends meet –
others revere our service sector friends and neighbors.

a chronology
a chronology
10 years ago
Reply to  Trouble

I don’t like the tourism industry because the jobs are crappy! This area should have more job opportunities than waitressing! Why doesn’t Silicon Valley move here and give us better jobs? I used to have a good job elsewhere, moved here, and now find that in my field of expertise… Read more »

Same difference
Same difference
10 years ago
Reply to  Trouble

And a personal attack on those in a profession someone doesn’t like, is also shameful at best.

Big AL
Big AL
10 years ago

You just don’t get it Dr. Facts.

Talk-radio days
Talk-radio days
10 years ago
Reply to  Big AL

Big hates substance and proofs (facts) in discussing topics.
Thinks its stupid.
Would rather rely on emotion.
Mostly anger.
Lots of that going round today.
Pity

Big AL
Big AL
10 years ago
Reply to  Big AL

Keep it coming Dr. Facts, I love it how you shoot yourself in the foot .. lol .. it only serves to bite you in the ass.

Big AL
Big AL
10 years ago
Reply to  Big AL

hehe at least Ken likes it you’re on someone else’s butt.

Ken Warner
Ken Warner
10 years ago

There’s some really crazy people who post here. I want more better opportunity for employment for people on the East Side and some of you go ballistic at the idea that anybody should have a better life.

Truly an amazing response!

Tourbillon
Tourbillon
10 years ago
Reply to  Ken Warner

Ken, I think you’d find it easier to persuade people about your plans for “more better” opportunity if your posts were as measured and thoughtful as some of your recent ones. Works much better (betterer?) than nasty and personal.

Ken Warner
Ken Warner
10 years ago
Reply to  Tourbillon

Yes, true, guilty for getting sucked into the rancorous tone of many. I try and frequently fail. Such is the human condition. But I don’t have a plan. It’s just a vision based on my experiences elsewhere. The Owen’s Valley is just a place. Like Torry Pines Mesa in La… Read more »

Big AL
Big AL
10 years ago
Reply to  Ken Warner

Who’s being violently apposed to it?

Ken Warner
Ken Warner
10 years ago

Elevating crap jobs that others have to do out of desperation just to ennoble oneself is just narcissistic self aggrandizing. There is nothing romantic or self fulfilling about cleaning toilets — other than your own. And if that’s the only kind of job a community can offer and at the… Read more »

Don't devalue people
Don't devalue people
10 years ago
Reply to  Ken Warner

Someone on this blog used to work for a company called Unix as a programmer. Extremely angry at the loss of his job, he is now venting his anger towards the good people in our service sector who work hard and are not getting rich. It is sad how anger… Read more »

Ken Warner
Ken Warner
10 years ago

And I guess you think that the people of the East Side only deserve to work hard for chump change in the service sector with no chance for any other kind of job? Your post is one of the most twisted and fantastical attacks on an imaginary foe that has… Read more »

JeanGenie
JeanGenie
10 years ago
Reply to  Ken Warner

Ken: How many people do you know that have jobs that are “Romantic” or “self-fulfilling”? I hate to sound like a complainer, but money is everything when it comes to work. Thats why people do it, they need money. We live in a resort area, therefore, we have the typical… Read more »

Ken Warner
Ken Warner
10 years ago
Reply to  JeanGenie

I had a job (a career really) that I found quite satisfying. But I had to move away from the area to pursue it. And I know there’s no real reason why the kind of industry I worked in for over 20 years couldn’t find a place up here in… Read more »

Capitalism 101
Capitalism 101
10 years ago
Reply to  Ken Warner

America is a place where a person leaves the country and moves to the city, in order to make enough money to move back to the country.

Be happy in your work. – Confucius

Big AL
Big AL
10 years ago
Reply to  Ken Warner

Ken I totally hear what you’re trying to say, but what I am trying to say .. is that even with the change you are saying should happen .. there will still be a good number of those sort of menial jobs. Whether people come to camp, ski, art festivals,… Read more »

Ken Warner
Ken Warner
10 years ago
Reply to  Big AL

I never said that service sector jobs would go away. I never said that there was no need for service sector jobs. I never said that the people who work those jobs were bad people. I never said that tourism would cease. Here’s what I originally said: “The jobs you… Read more »

the pot calling the kettle
the pot calling the kettle
10 years ago
Reply to  Big AL

“The haters out there, they just seem to want to argue and attack on anything.”

When one finger is pointed outwards – the others are pointed towards the pointer.

Well … I’ll be … isn’t that … why, that’s YOU Al !

: >

Big AL
Big AL
10 years ago

Good point Priorities .. the rich keep getting richer .. only poor don’t keep getting poorer .. everyone else is getting poorer. Those middle and low income rich people are only making it possible for the ultra rich to get richer .. and for them to make it possible generate… Read more »

Trickle-down my (you know what)
Trickle-down my (you know what)
10 years ago
Reply to  Big AL

And now we have a presidential candidate who is pushing for even more tax breaks for the rich.
I want to be in that millionaire group too.

esfotoguy
esfotoguy
10 years ago

Hey Bennet, judging by the discussion, Im sorry I sent the pic.

Benett Kessler
Benett Kessler
10 years ago
Reply to  esfotoguy

Never be sorry for revealing what is. I thought the response from the Fish and Game
Information Officer was revealing too. Otherwise, we might not have known.
Benett

Priotities
Priotities
10 years ago

Economic success is measured by how well the little guy is able to makes ends meet. Not how rich a person can get in his lifetime. There are more millionaires today than in the entire population of New York City. 2.6 million people slipped into poverty in the United States… Read more »

just one
just one
10 years ago
Reply to  Priotities

I have said this over and over. It is a horrible circle. If the little guy doesn’t make enough money to spend then the rich guys don’t make any money. If our pay is low we will do what we can to save. Like go out of town for a… Read more »

Phillips Curve
Phillips Curve
10 years ago
Reply to  just one

In economics, the Phillips curve is a historical inverse relationship between the rate of unemployment and the rate of inflation in an economy. Stated simply, the lower the unemployment in an economy, the higher the rate of inflation. While it has been observed that there is a stable short run… Read more »

Crazy people are everywhere
Crazy people are everywhere
10 years ago

And the bureaucrat-hating continues … To the government-haters: You DO understand that your government-hating stance is exactly the same as what motivated Timothy McVeigh? Stories like this one are occuring daily in America: NEW ORLEANS — At least some of the seven people arrested in a fatal shootout with Louisiana… Read more »

Benett Kessler
Benett Kessler
10 years ago

There is a big difference between citizens who use critical thinking to examine how their government works
and an extremist group.

Benett

Elected officials
Elected officials
10 years ago
Reply to  Benett Kessler

Agreed. However … let’s not forget that mankind has this odd tendency to take things a bit too far. Almost always. Now I totally understand the ire directed towards elected officials. Those who find themselves in power positions, who let’s say are also developers. These people often have no credentials… Read more »

Taxpayer
Taxpayer
10 years ago
Reply to  Benett Kessler

“Mono County road crews went to work to clear the road which is now reportedly passable.”

Is this an example of how a citizen’s government works?

Tourbillon
Tourbillon
10 years ago

A view of prosperity that is based on how much dough the government has extracted from the private sector is marvelously handy. Under your measures of economic success, all we’d have to do is double TOT and sales tax rates and the economy instantly would be riding high.

Taxpayer
Taxpayer
10 years ago
Reply to  Tourbillon

Also under the measure of others (including presidential candidates) regarding economic success, you have multi-millionaires taking advantage of what that government offers in tax shelters, etc. and pays no taxes whatsoever and is now proposing ever more breaks for his mega-wealthy pals. Wouldn’t you love to be a part of… Read more »

Much more than fish
Much more than fish
10 years ago

As a people person, I know a lot of people who make a living waiting tables, pouring drinks, washing dishes, cooking food, playing music, selling art objects, driving people around, sweeping floors, cleaning condos, (including toilets) … the list goes on and on. These people ( obviously unknown to some)… Read more »

Ken Warner
Ken Warner
10 years ago

The jobs you mention are like a catalog of the worst paying jobs in America. Why are you so proud that our town can only generate such jobs?

http://www.myplan.com/careers/top-ten/lowest-paying.php

Class warfare?
Class warfare?
10 years ago
Reply to  Ken Warner

It’s called a service industry and it generates opportunities for employment –
low-paying or not.

Ken Warner
Ken Warner
10 years ago
Reply to  Class warfare?

You call cleaning toilets for this guy an opportunity? You must have a dreadful existence….

http://www.danielroth.net/archive/2007/09/barry-sternlich.html

Mean-spirited
Mean-spirited
10 years ago
Reply to  Ken Warner

In psychoanalytic theory, when an individual is unable to integrate difficult feelings, specific defenses are mobilized to overcome what the individual perceives as an unbearable situation. The defense that helps in this process is called splitting. Splitting is the tendency to view events or people as either all bad or… Read more »

Tourbillon
Tourbillon
10 years ago
Reply to  Ken Warner

Are you employed Ken? Once upon a time I had to clean sanitary tanks. After college. You may sneer all you like but I’m still proud of the job I did, and every job I’ve ever had, because I’ve been lucky enough to always have a paycheck. As, no doubt,… Read more »

Ken Warner
Ken Warner
10 years ago
Reply to  Ken Warner

I’ve not said one word to demean the person who has no alternative to low paid crap work. The job itself is demeaning. Those of you who defend jobs that demean must have ulterior motives. Like making money off the sweat of those poor souls who must do crap work… Read more »

Benett Kessler
Benett Kessler
10 years ago
Reply to  Ken Warner

I worked as a waitress when I first came to the Eastern Sierra. Met some wonderful women who had waitressed for years.
Character is what counts, not what you do to earn a living.
Benett

Trouble
Trouble
10 years ago
Reply to  Ken Warner

Hey Ken, just because all the people hit dislike doesn’t mean your wrong. Most of the people cleaning toilets do so because they are trying to feed their loved ones.

Wayne Deja
Wayne Deja
10 years ago
Reply to  Ken Warner

Ken…..The price you got to pay if you want to live in the Sierras’….for many…If you don’t want to work for $12.00-$15.00 an hour,your either going to be unemployed….and stay unemployed,and mooching off someone….or move on to the bigger cities where there is more of a choice of jobs and… Read more »

Ken Warner
Ken Warner
10 years ago
Reply to  Wayne Deja

That’s my point. There needs to be better jobs up here and they aint gonna come from tourism no matter what the one man astroturf guy says.

Comedy Central
Comedy Central
10 years ago
Reply to  Ken Warner

“THERE AIN’T NO JOBS HERE!”

What about service sector jobs?

“THEM JOBS AIN’T GOOD ENOUGH!”

What jobs are good enough in a tourist town?

(utter silence)

You crack me up Ken Warner! You are truly a funny, funny man!

Big AL
Big AL
10 years ago
Reply to  Ken Warner

Ken .. the point is .. there will still be these menial jobs no matter what else you bring in, and there will always be people who are willing to do them .. for a pay check, granted it might not be much .. but they’re thankful to have it.… Read more »

Tell us more
Tell us more
10 years ago
Reply to  Wayne Deja

Still waiting for Ken Warner to offer some “advice” as to how to make the big bucks in the area that he insists people should be doing. I’m a wee bit tired and bored of the whining and to be more specific – since almost half the residence of Mammoth… Read more »

Ken Warner
Ken Warner
10 years ago
Reply to  Tell us more

Ok Rick, here’s a detail. But I doubt you will get it because you are so dense and so fixated on cleaning toilets for rich people. http://www.google.com/about/datacenters/locations/index.html Why is there not a data center in, for example, Bridgeport or Crowley Lake? Cool dry climate with lots of cold water nearby.… Read more »

Big AL
Big AL
10 years ago
Reply to  Wayne Deja

Wayne, the county and dwp jobs are not making the big coin either, and of the govt. jobs .. really. Although DWP still produces some decent coin. But you’re right .. about taking any job you can get, to make money in these times.

Cheap and cheaper
Cheap and cheaper
10 years ago
Reply to  Wayne Deja

A lot of waitresses I know are single moms who work their butts off each day. I appreciate what they do, how hard they work being on their feet all day, and how difficult it is today to make ends meet. I always leave a 20% tip. Sadly there are… Read more »

Ken Warner
Ken Warner
10 years ago

Actually, I always leave at least a 20% tip. I want your waitress friend to have more, and better opportunities for employment. Why do I get to be a slug for that? Should I take the opposite point of view — like many of you — and say that service… Read more »

Commerce
Commerce
10 years ago
Reply to  Ken Warner

Why are you ashamed that tourists come to our town and spend money?

Devaluation of people
Devaluation of people
10 years ago
Reply to  Ken Warner

Ken Warner –

Your devaluation of this community’s hard-working residents within the service sector is a sad testimonial for today. Not to mention the continuation of what you call: “the worst paying jobs in America.”

just one
just one
10 years ago
Reply to  Ken Warner

No tourists would come if there was no one to make their beds, no one to serve their meals, no one to pump their gas.

Trouble
Trouble
10 years ago
Reply to  just one

Whens the last time someone pump your gas up here? They will come for the same reason they came 40 years ago. To get away from the big city stuff that some want more of up here. Stock the lakes and keep the roads open and the will continue to… Read more »

Trouble
Trouble
10 years ago

I doubt people traveled up here to just see Kenny Loggins. I was tempted to go see the concert only because it is so rare we get anybody with major hits up here. My point is, we need to promote our strengths , not our weaknesses. Tourist come up here… Read more »

Show biz is good biz
Show biz is good biz
10 years ago
Reply to  Trouble

Hate to cause you trouble about this, Trouble.
But the fact is the majority of tickets sold for the Kenny Loggins concert were generated from out of town.
You simply must get out more often to see what the buzz is all about.

Benett Kessler
Benett Kessler
10 years ago

Just curious how you know this statistic?
BK

Ken Warner
Ken Warner
10 years ago
Reply to  Benett Kessler

Hint: he doesn’t…

Stats are obvious
Stats are obvious
10 years ago
Reply to  Benett Kessler

Know anybody from here that attended?

Trouble
Trouble
10 years ago
Reply to  Benett Kessler

I know at least 6 people from Mammoth and Bishop that went. Then they camped out near by. What is Mammoth going to do, hang concert filers on L.A’s street corners ?

Big AL
Big AL
10 years ago

Dr. Facts .. you bust me up dude .. all of the stuff you come up with for names .. thanks for the laughs. Actually i see what you’re trying to say, but it gets lost in the rhetoric and jabs. too bad.

ad hominem attack
ad hominem attack
10 years ago
Reply to  Big AL

And your contribution to this topic is … ?

Something for everyone.
Something for everyone.
10 years ago
Reply to  Trouble

Why not outdoor activity stuff – AND the arts, music, food and culture stuff TOO?

See: Reactionary

JeanGenie
JeanGenie
10 years ago

Much More than Fish: I couldn’t agree more. That’s what Mammoth used to be about. We do the service jobs because that’s what’s out there, and then get to live and play here, even though there’s poop for career opportunities in this area. We have fishing and hiking and clean… Read more »

Reactionary
Reactionary
10 years ago
Reply to  JeanGenie

A reactionary (sometimes: reactionist) is someone who seeks to restore conditions to those of a previous era. The political attitude of a reactionary is reaction, reactionism (sometimes: reactionaryism). Reaction is always presented against something that it opposes. It’s sad to read the angry postings of some on this blog. The… Read more »

Trouble
Trouble
10 years ago
Reply to  JeanGenie

Well said Jean Genie!! That’s my story also.

Much more than fish
Much more than fish
10 years ago

Mammoth Lakes is having its most successful summer ever. And its all because the town is drawing tourists to wine and food tasting events, arts festivals, numerous music festivals plays and many other things the tourists enjoy and are willing to pay generously for. I have no idea how the… Read more »

Ken Warner
Ken Warner
10 years ago

Really? Have you seen the figures for TOT and sales tax revenue? What do you base your propaganda — oops sorry — impressive declaration of prosperity on?

taxifornia
taxifornia
10 years ago

are you a Fish hater??? or just hate fishermen?

Polarized Nation
Polarized Nation
10 years ago
Reply to  taxifornia

More “if you ain’t fer us – yer agin us !” silliness.
Never even considering the gray areas of social topics.

Sounds fishy
Sounds fishy
10 years ago
Reply to  taxifornia

I hate no one. Just merely pointing out that man cannot live by fish alone. There are hundreds of terrific people that depend on the tourists who are also looking for cultural-type entertainment or activities. To take a page from your book: Are you a cultural-tourist hater. Or just hate… Read more »

Dying towns v Thriving towns
Dying towns v Thriving towns
10 years ago
Reply to  taxifornia

Tell ya what.
If you think a town can just promote itself by simply saying:” Welcome to So-and-So … The Fishing Capital of the World!” that town will quickly become another Bridgeport.

Tourism
Tourism
10 years ago

Hilarious Warner.
Also telling.

Big AL
Big AL
10 years ago
Reply to  Tourism

Hilariass Tourism

Ken Warner
Ken Warner
10 years ago

When you read on various blogs, posts that support more development or concessions to developers or people supporting such things as airports, events, commercial retail space and tourism — think about those who are paid to sway public opinion in favor of big money’s interests. Here’s a good example where… Read more »

econ 101
econ 101
10 years ago
Reply to  Ken Warner

Believe it or not, there are small towns in America that are booming. But what used to work yesterday isn’t working today. You cannot get blood out of a turnip is the saying therefore those small towns that are successful today are focusing on those that have the money. And… Read more »

Ken Warner
Ken Warner
10 years ago
Reply to  econ 101

I’ve been saying for years that tourism is a dying industry. That Mammoth Lakes should focus — in addition to tourism — on education, health care and renewable energy as pillars of a sustainable economy. You are just trading one kind of tourism for another. Which is ok and might… Read more »

Cause and effect
Cause and effect
10 years ago
Reply to  Ken Warner

“…tourism is a dying industry” Tell that to very liberal, tourism-based communities like San Francisco. They are booming. As far as education goes, this community is under fire (as most are) from that foaming-at-the-mouth group that calls itself The Tea Party who refuse to pay taxes forcing the bureaucrats Tea… Read more »

Ken Warner
Ken Warner
10 years ago

“..tourism-based communities like San Francisco…” Not exactly — here’s the results of 20 seconds of research. http://www.city-data.com/us-cities/The-West/San-Francisco-Economy.html “San Francisco’s economic activity attracts and supports a range of industries. As the base for some of the country’s largest banks, the Pacific Exchange, and over 30 international financial institutions, San Francisco is… Read more »

Hates tourism
Hates tourism
10 years ago
Reply to  Ken Warner

“…we as a community have to produce something that is more useful and tangible than an “Experience”.”

And that something would be …?

Ken Warner
Ken Warner
10 years ago
Reply to  Hates tourism

…beyond your reading comprehension apparently….

Tourism = $$$
Tourism = $$$
10 years ago
Reply to  Hates tourism

Don’t know how Bridgeport is doing this summer (or other towns in the area, but Mammoth Lakes is booming. Perhaps they are dying as Ken Warner tells us.The service industry, waiters, waitresses, drivers, restaurants, bars, etc. etc. are very happy this summer, thanks to the tourism and artsy activities Mammoth… Read more »

A real money-maker
A real money-maker
10 years ago

Maybe we should have an annual fly-tying festival with casting contests, worm races, and mascots in fish costumes. Yeah, that’s the REAL ticket.

econ 101
econ 101
10 years ago

More dollars are generated from lodging, restaurants, cocktails, art and entertainment than on the sale of worms.

Bill
Bill
10 years ago
Reply to  econ 101

Now that’s just silly. Of course there are… when factoring just worm sales! But now add in all the other tackle, fishing supplies, fly fishing gear, boat rentals, gasoline, fishing guides, other related gear, lodging by anglers, restaurant bills by anglers (many are catch & release so they eat out!!!!)… Read more »

All is Impermanent
All is Impermanent
10 years ago

From an economic point of view, this area can no longer depend on fishing and camping to generate tourist dollars. It is going in the right direction by an increase in music and art festivals, motocross, wine-tasting, etc. and appealing more towards those who have the money today – the… Read more »

Trouble
Trouble
10 years ago

All is Impermanent- I sure hope you are referring to Mammoth as “this area”. Inyo County would have almost no visitors stay here if it were not for the camping,fishing , hiking and climbers. There is nothing wrong with adding to our cultural events, but people are not going to… Read more »

johnjcampnfish
johnjcampnfish
10 years ago

Bon vivant my eye. The only community on the eastside to offer all those nifty activities that appeal to your so-called bon vivant is also the only community to declare bankruptcy.

the change it had to come
the change it had to come
10 years ago

Mammoth Lakes is realizing the best summer ever. With an emphasis on art, culture, jazz, pop, latin and classical music festivals, wine-tasting, beer tasting, tequila tasting, food tasting, Shakespeare in the woods, motorcycle racing … and summer ain’t over yet. I feel the pain of those who remain stuck in… Read more »

Ken Warner
Ken Warner
10 years ago

Right. What kind of idiot would drive 500 miles to the Eastern Sierra just for the mountains, lakes, hiking, fresh air and the great outdoors. We need more L.A. style malls!!!

Trouble
Trouble
10 years ago

the change – I heard the Doors and Jimmy Hendrix are lined up to play in the woods next weekend. Maybe we can get the Beatles reunion lined up next.

Bill
Bill
10 years ago

“I feel the pain of those who remain stuck in their belief that those from down South and other parts of the world come here for the camping and fishing.” Actually, tens of thousands do just that!! I know from personal experience… And who ever said it has to be… Read more »

Big AL
Big AL
10 years ago
Reply to  Bill

Yes amen Bill … I think the “Mammoth experience” has provided all of what you mentioned, for some time now. People come here for all of those and more .. I think the foremost reason people come here is recreation, whether it be outdoor activities or the various festivals that… Read more »

Econ 101
Econ 101
10 years ago
Reply to  Big AL

There is a non-spoken belief that for the most part, the economy is as good as its going to get. “America has seen its day”, sort of thing. Every country has had its shot at the top, then one by one falls away and is replaced by another. There is… Read more »

Ken Warner
Ken Warner
10 years ago

Maybe we should build more roller-coasters, water-slides and Ferris wheels. And more mascots in bear suits. Yeah, that’s the ticket.

unclear on the concept
unclear on the concept
10 years ago
Reply to  Ken Warner

Dear Ken,

Eh?

Big AL
Big AL
10 years ago
Reply to  Ken Warner

LOL Ken .. I hear ya

Big AL
Big AL
10 years ago

LOL .. whine tasting and art .. hehe

Trouble
Trouble
10 years ago

There are probably more bait stores in the Owens than bars. Take away the hatcheries and that will quickly change. I fish almost every week and have never caught a fish with any abnormalities. I’ve seen a lot of ugly fishermen.

TC/The Trout Underground
TC/The Trout Underground
10 years ago

This whole series of articles represents astonishingly bad journalism. Visit a hatchery and you’ll see a parade of deformed fish. They’re raised in extremely crowded concrete raceways and packed like sardines. So no, they’re often not pretty. As for triploid fish, yes, they absolutely do grow faster than non-sterile trout.… Read more »

Benett Kessler
Benett Kessler
10 years ago

Dear Trout, Give me your real name and credentials and I will consider quoting you.
Otherwise, I stand by the Sierra Wave story, it’s quotes and details.
Benett Kessler

taxifornia
taxifornia
10 years ago
Reply to  Benett Kessler

jUST ANOTHER REASON nOT TO EAT HATCHERY FISH…

Mark
Mark
10 years ago

native and wild trout populations

Not much to worry about where there isn’t really a native trout population in the Eastern Sierra.

Before McMurry brought trout from the Kern River there wasn’t even any wild trout.

ya ya I know about the native Goldens

Big Rick OB
Big Rick OB
10 years ago

“Whirling disease…”It’s had very little effect HERE ? Mt. Whitney fish hatchery was closed FOR YEARS because of whirling disease. I remember when they opened it to everyone to fish for free, just to get rid of the entire batch, including the brood stock. The fish had to be cleaned… Read more »

TC/The Trout Underground
TC/The Trout Underground
10 years ago
Reply to  Big Rick OB

Whirling disease dramatically altered the brown vs rainbow trout counts (largely whiping out the rainbow population) on rivers like the Madison in Montana an essentially all over Colorado. In CA, the parasite hasn’t had a similar impact on fisheries, and while the hatchery had to be closed to rid itself… Read more »

Benett Kessler
Benett Kessler
10 years ago

Whoever you are,
You don’t seem to be able to accept information that others present.
In fact, whirling disease had quite an impact in our area in past
decades.

The ongoing reports about SB1148 are revealing an unfolding process.
Those involved have differing views, which we have presented.

Benett Kessler

TC/The Trout Underground
TC/The Trout Underground
10 years ago
Reply to  Benett Kessler

First, of all, I’m not hiding my identity (it’s easily found at my troutunderground.com website). Second, I’m fine at accepting information from others, but because actually read the legislation, I know that a lot of the information provided by Cogdill — and repeated here without any apparent fact checking —… Read more »

Benett Kessler
Benett Kessler
10 years ago

As I said before, we stand behind our stories. I have read the bill, quoted CalTrout, Mr. Cogdill and
our local Inyo and Mono Supervisors who issued letters of opposition.
What is your name and your quote?

BK

Big AL
Big AL
10 years ago
Reply to  Benett Kessler

Well in all fairness Benett trout is just showing another view .. whether or not his is the truth or the info in the article is the truth … remains to be scene, I don’t see this person as not accepting other opinions as much as he is projecting another… Read more »

Russ Monroe
Russ Monroe
10 years ago

“Honestly, writing misleading articles in pursuit of drama does you no credit.” A comment that it would serve you well to stand in front of a mirror and repeat to yourself a few thousand times Mr.Tom Chandler. Perhaps if you collected your information first hand instead of reading it from… Read more »

Local Angler
Local Angler
10 years ago

I have caught a few trout missing pectoral fins, or having deformed pectoral fins the last couple years. I’m concerned about the over all quality of fish planted.

JeanGenie
JeanGenie
10 years ago
Reply to  Local Angler

Local Angler,
I’ve seen those fin deformities for 30 years. I’m not sure but I think the missing or funky fins are from rubbing up against the sides of the rearing ponds. But those other fish? They must be relatives of Blinky!

Benett Kessler
Benett Kessler
10 years ago
Reply to  JeanGenie

Also, our trout used to be afflicted with something called whirling disease. It causes deformities and
fish can’t swim straight.
Benett

TC/The Trout Underground
TC/The Trout Underground
10 years ago
Reply to  Local Angler

Lost and deformed fins are common to hatchery trout; they get rubbed off on concrete raceways.

It’s usually pretty easy to spot hatchery trout by their rounded tails.

Trouble
Trouble
10 years ago

Gross, but not surprised to hear Cal-Trout is involved in creating this mess.

Big Rick OB
Big Rick OB
10 years ago

Isn’t it just a little bit strange that so many of these “rare anomilies” happen to die and wash up on shore, in the same place, at the same time?. I have fished in just about every body of water in the eastern sierra since 1977, and I’ve never seen… Read more »

salblaster
salblaster
10 years ago

those are some funky looking fish. add some big oversize teeth and you could make a horror movie.

gary
gary
6 years ago
Reply to  salblaster

Why in the hell would you spend who knows how much$$$$$$$ to produce STERIL fish . Fish&Game never did it before , the last 100 YEARS. Why do it now. Is it isnt broken , Dont Fix It. IDIOTS.