Bishop City Council Hears Public Comments on the Eastern Sierra Pride Festival

 

 

During the first public comment period at the recent Bishop City Council meeting, the pastor affiliated with the Bishop Church on Main spoke out on the Eastern Sierra Pride Festival scheduled for June 4 and 5 at the TriCounty Fairgrounds. He expressed the local ministerial organization’s concerns that “a healthy community won’t come from the Pride event” and focused on what he termed “over-sexualization” of the event. A second minister added “we’re not against people but we don’t celebrate what we feel is broken-ness.”

Councilmember Stephen Muchovej waited until the final agenda item,” Councilmember Reports”, to address the comments. “I heard the word ‘compassion’,” he said. He went on to ask
Councilmembers Karen Kong and Jose Garcia if they could be fired from their jobs because they were a woman or Hispanic, respectively. “Do you realize that in 29 states you can be fired for being gay. Pride Monty didn’t start as a celebration,” he said, noting the origins in New York in 1969 when the community “was tired of drag queens being beat-up by the NYPD.”

“There’s no evidence of sexual deviance” in exhaustive reports, he continued, “while churches
are hiding child molesters in their own flocks. These lies are hurtful. Are these the values you
want us to represent?”

The other Councilmembers then spoke up in support of Muchovej; during the earlier
comments, their discomfort was obvious. Chair Karen Schwartz suggested eliminating the
Invocation from future agendas.

One final observation: both during this City Council meeting and the May 17 th Inyo County
Board of Supervisors’ Pride Month Proclamation discussion, the only side of the debate that
mentioned sexuality were those against the proclamation. Those in support simply spoke of
love.

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Benjamin
Benjamin
7 months ago

I am just wondering if someone can get me the pastor’s number? I want to ask him out on a date so I can show him what he has been missing! Love baby, love!

Masked Locals
Masked Locals
7 months ago

To Eastside Local, pleased to meet you! You definitely are a much better writer than I will ever be. Couldn’t agree with you more. Well, time to go watch the clouds float by.. have a nice day.

Fran
Fran
7 months ago

So glad to see our big back yard taking steps to be a welcoming and inclusive place! Very much looking forward to the festival and delighted that our county recognized June as Pride Month. The festival will be fun… and we’ll attended! Tickets are going fast. #loveislove #choosekindness #bornthisway

Deena Davenport Conway
Deena Davenport Conway
7 months ago
Reply to  Fran

And what a fantastic time it was! So much joy and love! The happiness that enveloped everyone there will help make our valley a n even more beautiful place. 🙂

Eastside Local
Eastside Local
7 months ago

As a member of the LGBT community and long, long time resident of the Eastside, I’m predicting this will be a flop, attended by mostly vitue signalling “straight allies” with few local LGBT attending. Most people locally don’t even remember the many times this has been tried before and failed,… Read more »

Deena Davenport Conway
Deena Davenport Conway
7 months ago
Reply to  Eastside Local

Dear Eastside Local, I am so sorry that you are not comfortable attending! I have to say that you are mistaken about the attendance. The meetups that we have been having are fun and well attended. There are many folks coming from out of town too, to join in the… Read more »

It Takes a Village
It Takes a Village
7 months ago
Reply to  Eastside Local

Eastside Local, I’m glad you wrote. Thank you. I’ve known a few gay, conservative, christian, rednecks who’s families have been here for generations and like you, lived quietly. Many were of the older generations and unfortunately, unable to come out or sometimes even accept that part of themselves. Festivities and… Read more »

Low
Low
7 months ago

Hey – here’s an idea. If the church and certain members of the comunity don’t like the idea of a pride event, the solution is simple: don’t go. We’re a free country. You don’t get to impose your views on the way that everyone else lives their lives.

William
William
7 months ago
Reply to  Low

Where have you been the last two years? Have you already forgotten when churches and businesses were shut down and deemed non essential? How about the masses who imposed their views on the way everyone else wanted to live their lives?

Last edited 7 months ago by William
Harold
Harold
7 months ago
Reply to  William

Not an apples to apples comparison.

Kay Kramer
Kay Kramer
7 months ago
Reply to  William

seriously ? You’re comparing science with religion ? that’s hilarious.

Low
Low
7 months ago
Reply to  William

Thanks for the irrelevant analogy.

Last edited 7 months ago by Low
Many Moons Local
Many Moons Local
8 months ago

Hate, prejudice, racism and judgment is of those who fear to go beyond narrow minded beliefs that not all are created the same. Humankind individually creates its own systems, with limited choices. We have no choice as to what sex, sexual preference, race, color or anything else when we take… Read more »

Dan
Dan
8 months ago

Did anyone pull out that lie that there’s no Military Appreciation Month? It’s May. Right now. It’s also why I’m currently flying a POW/MIA flag. Which I will switch to a Pride flag on June 1st. Pride is more necessary than ever, as states pass laws to prevent even mentioning… Read more »

Darlene
Darlene
8 months ago

Why have a second day of the event open to all ages. Is this a recruiting event?

mateo
mateo
8 months ago
Reply to  Darlene

Tell you what, sweetheart, I’m going to take my children to go support my friends, and I’ll let you know.

I hope you all practice your freedom to not participate by staying as far away as possible.

Oscar Viramontes
Oscar Viramontes
8 months ago
Reply to  Darlene

Ironically the only local folks who have come to my doorstep to literally recruit me are the JW. Also straight women have tried to recruit me but 36 and still gay… you’re safe Darlene. We won’t turn you gay 😉

Sami
Sami
8 months ago
Reply to  Darlene

The only orgs trying to recruit ’em young in Inyo are the local churches.

Darlene
Darlene
8 months ago
Reply to  Sami

I want to thank all of you for your thoughtful views. I have never experienced such an outpouring of “love” from the pride community. I now understand that churches are bad and those asking questions are certainly not tolerated. To the nine people responding to my comment, I know you… Read more »

Dan
Dan
7 months ago
Reply to  Darlene

Wow. You show up being snide about an all ages event and asking if it’s recruitment, and then get your nose bent out of shape when everyone points out how hypocritical that is. This is why young people are abandoning your churches.

Name*
Name*
7 months ago
Reply to  Dan

It is literally the exact reason I left my church.

Low
Low
7 months ago
Reply to  Darlene

Your initial comment was insulting and sarcastic and you’re complaining that the replies were met with the same?

Kay Kramer
Kay Kramer
7 months ago
Reply to  Sami

now now, that’s not fair. for example, the catholic church doesn’t “recruit” – the preferred term is “sacraments of initiation” – entirely different. mystical and invisible. no brainwashing involved. most 2nd graders girls have no idea why they’re dressed up like a bride, but what the hell, seems like fun.

Harold
Harold
7 months ago
Reply to  Darlene

How about because all children need a community, not just the Christian.

Hillarie
Hillarie
7 months ago
Reply to  Darlene

So I can take my non gay daughter to support them😍

Harold
Harold
7 months ago
Reply to  Hillarie

That would absolutely be wonderful, teach children tolerance and acceptance. We don’t have to all be the same to support one another. Community.

JOlie
JOlie
7 months ago
Reply to  Harold

No, teach children the truth.

Bob
Bob
8 months ago

Did someone invite Kevin Spacey?

Hillarie Granum
Hillarie Granum
8 months ago

Thank you Bishop City Council for your support of the LGBTQ community. As most of us know, LGBTQ is not a choice you are born that way!

J L
J L
7 months ago

No, they are NOT born that way! That is the lie of the world. There is no “gay” gene! Their way of life is their choice. If you know someone who is a Christian, and follows God’s law, then of course they are against homosexuality. God is against their choice… Read more »

Kay Kramer
Kay Kramer
7 months ago
Reply to  J L

How do you explain gay christians ? Christians who “choose” (according to you) to be gay ? What is your defining “moment” of christianity ? How does one determine who is “more christian” than another ?

Harold
Harold
7 months ago
Reply to  Kay Kramer

By being the most judgements!

JOlie
JOlie
7 months ago
Reply to  Kay Kramer

I don’t explain “gay” Christians. True Christians follow God’s law and Word.
God’s Word says, homosexuality is a sin. Is there a “gay” gene?

Kay Kramer
Kay Kramer
7 months ago
Reply to  JOlie

The bottom line is that your religious belief doesn’t determine how everybody else lives their lives.

JOlie
JOlie
7 months ago
Reply to  Kay Kramer

I never said it did.

Kay Kramer
Kay Kramer
7 months ago
Reply to  JOlie

You didn’t have to.

Sami
Sami
7 months ago
Reply to  JOlie

“God’s Word” didn’t mention homosexuality until the early 20th century. Translations have agendas.

JOlie
JOlie
7 months ago
Reply to  Sami

Try reading an antique Bible!

Jubie
Jubie
8 months ago

To you pastors and church leaders…. your hypocrisy is shining through here. If Jesus were here, he would extend a loving arm to ALL. I hope all of your congregations see that you don’t really promote love- just judgement and hate.

Harold
Harold
8 months ago
Reply to  Jubie

No hate like Christian love

JOlie
JOlie
7 months ago
Reply to  Harold

Christians can’t go against what the Bible says, and that is truth, no hate.

JOlie
JOlie
7 months ago
Reply to  Jubie

It just cracks me up, that you expect pastors, and church leaders, to go against the Bible. If you really knew the Lord, you would know He does truly love everyone, but would never justify homosexuality. There is no hate. Just the truth.

Jubie
Jubie
7 months ago
Reply to  JOlie

JOlie, organized religion has promoted more hate and violence than is imaginable. If you choose to believe a fictional book written by men, you’re part of the problem. LOVE is what it’s about. No judging, JUST LOVE. What is your fear?

JOlie
JOlie
7 months ago
Reply to  Jubie

Love is what Jesus is promoting in the Bible. If it is fictional, why can’t it be proven wrong? No fear, because I have the love of God. I show any fear my faith. My relationship isn’t religion, but a true meaningful relationship with Christ.

Jubie
Jubie
7 months ago
Reply to  JOlie

Moreover, why can’t it be proven right?
p.s… not even the word “homosexual” in the Bible. No such word even existed then. We will agree to disagree and Peace to you..

JOlie
JOlie
7 months ago
Reply to  Jubie

The Bible was written by men, inspired through the Holy Spirit. Religion was created by men.

Sally Fields
Sally Fields
8 months ago

#1 Councilmember Stephen Muchovej is doing what many of the left do – projecting. As in, he’s the one who’s “lying” because it’s completely false to say in 29 states you can be fired for being gay. This is the type of “disinformation” that “lacks context” that the left professes… Read more »

John 8:7
John 8:7
8 months ago
Reply to  Sally Fields

It actually does seem pretty relevant to call out the hypocrisy of the church to condemn “sexually deviancy” when there is rampant, documented sexual abuse of children in the Catholic and now Southern Baptist Church. Like, tend to your own house with all your indignation. I think another way of… Read more »

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Dan
Dan
8 months ago
Reply to  Sally Fields

The bigotry, hatred and lies that appear in the comment section of every article about Eastern Sierra Pride is exactly why Eastern Sierra Pride needs to exist.

Also, you have two options: Either no invocations, or invocations from everyone, including atheists, satanists, indigenous faith leaders, etc.

Last edited 8 months ago by Dan
Jubie
Jubie
8 months ago
Reply to  Sally Fields

You spent a lot of time on your response. It’s clear that you are an intelligent person- yet your “truths” are so skewed. Not impressed- even with your big words. Sorry, but I see your prejudice here. Namaste

Sally Fields
Sally Fields
8 months ago
Reply to  Jubie

Man you guys all basically proved my point. Non-substantive ad hominem attacks. Besides that, there were really two actual points raised, one proving my point and the other totally irrelevant. As far as invocations for everyone or invocations for no one goes, that is completely beside the point. The point… Read more »

Dan
Dan
8 months ago
Reply to  Sally Fields

What do you mean “if”? Have you not met the Southern Baptist Convention or the Catholic Church? Or countless other smaller denominations that “keep it in house”? On top of which, how can we tell if you’re one of these “actual” Christians you claim to be vs. someone you just… Read more »

mono resident
mono resident
7 months ago
Reply to  Dan

“…….be silent and let the menfolk talk.”

wow.
and no.

Dan
Dan
7 months ago
Reply to  mono resident

I didn’t write it and I definitely don’t believe it. But if someone is going to use the Bible to rationalize their anti-LGBTQ bigotry, they should probably also explain why the Bible’s misogynistic bigotry doesn’t also apply. Or are they just “salad bar Christians”, picking and choosing verses customized to… Read more »

J L
J L
7 months ago
Reply to  Dan

If you truly knew the Bible, and what it says, you would know your comment has no truth in it whatsoever!

Harold
Harold
7 months ago
Reply to  J L

Again, no hate like Christian love.

JOlie
JOlie
7 months ago
Reply to  Harold

Again, the truth hurts.

Jubie
Jubie
7 months ago
Reply to  JOlie

Au contraire, the truth doesn’t hurt at all.

Jubie
Jubie
8 months ago
Reply to  Sally Fields

You’re really trying hard here “Sally”, but it’s not working… No need to get so worked up. This is about love and acceptance. No need to extrapolate beyond that. Peace.

Dan
Dan
7 months ago
Reply to  Sally Fields

Sally, If you’re now going to gripe that not Christian is perfect, perhaps you could then stay in your own freaking lane until you fix the many many problems there instead of shoving yourself into hatred against communities that don’t concern you. No one here is saying you aren’t flawed.… Read more »

J L
J L
7 months ago
Reply to  Dan

So she isn’t allowed to give her opinion because it ticks you off?

Jubie
Jubie
7 months ago
Reply to  J L

Oh she’s allowed, just as we are allowed to debate her. Free country here.

Stephen Muchovej
Stephen Muchovej
8 months ago
Reply to  Sally Fields

Hi Sally— Allow me to address some of the projections and misinformation here. There are 29 states in the US that do not have laws prohibiting discrimination based on sexual orientation. There is also no federal law at this time that prevents it as well. What we have is a… Read more »

Sally Fields
Sally Fields
8 months ago

No Stephen, you’re misrepresenting the law even though I specifically cited it. You said “there is no federal law at this time that prevents” discrimination. This is facially false. As I mentioned, the equal protection clause of the US Constitution protects it. You’re response is apparently that it’s not the… Read more »

JUBIE
JUBIE
7 months ago
Reply to  Sally Fields

Oh Dear Sally. Your diatribes, as you say, are non sequitur. You’ve gone waaay off of the original article here. Not to say that you shouldn’t comment on the council’s comments, but the long speeches detract from the Eastern Sierra Pride!! Rest now..

Sooo much wasted energy
Sooo much wasted energy
7 months ago
Reply to  Sally Fields

Sally, would you rather be right? Or would you rather be happy?

It’s unfortunate that so many people believe they are synonymous.

Stephen Muchovej
Stephen Muchovej
7 months ago
Reply to  Sally Fields

Sally, it seems like you’re conflating two issues: The Obergefell decision deals entirely with marriage, not with employment-based discrimination (which is the topic I brought up to discuss). The Supreme court decision relating to employment-based discrimination is the Bostock v Clayton County decision from 2020. (https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/19pdf/17-1618_hfci.pdf). As you can see,… Read more »

Sally Fields
Sally Fields
8 months ago

I’d also like to leave you with one more thought since multiple people have taken to citing the Bible against actual Christians. No Christian is perfect. We all sin. All Christians know this. It’s why we need Christ in the first place. But given that, the insinuation with the repeated… Read more »

Sally Fields
Sally Fields
7 months ago
Reply to  Sally Fields

No Stephen, I’m not conflating issues. As I said in my initial post, there is a constitutional issue at play. The Civil Rights act is one thing, but there’s the conflicting constitutional fact that others have the right to free exercise of their own religion, and also freedom of association.… Read more »

Kay Kramer
Kay Kramer
7 months ago
Reply to  Sally Fields

So you’re not calling the ministerial organization’s comments regarding the Pride Event “straight-up bigotry” but instead using Mr. Muchovej’s reply to their specific homophobic and utterly false statements as such. What he has pointed out is FACT, not discrimination against christians. Why on Earth is the Pride Event such a… Read more »

Christ is love
Christ is love
7 months ago
Reply to  Sally Fields

That’s an interesting point you’re trying to make, Sally — that the Constitution is at odds with itself when it comes enshrining freedom of religion and freedom from discrimination. I’m no constitutional scholar, but as a human I can’t help but think that if discrimination against others is built in… Read more »

Kay Kramer
Kay Kramer
7 months ago
Reply to  Sally Fields

“Homosexual people have the right to be in a family. They are children of God and have a right to a family.” – Pope Francis. In other words, you, Sally, have no right to judge.

William
William
7 months ago
Reply to  Kay Kramer

You are one of the most judgemental commenters I have seen on these forums. And I don’t hold it against you to a point.. but as someone else recently pointed out.. you do have a holier than thou attitude that comes across in your posts.

Kay Kramer
Kay Kramer
7 months ago
Reply to  William

You may want to stop and look in your mirror, as evidence of your own posting history speaks equally of you.

JOlie
JOlie
7 months ago
Reply to  Kay Kramer

What we are is God’s gift to us, what we become is our gift to God. God does not approve of homosexuality.

Alice
Alice
7 months ago
Reply to  JOlie

Sally, seriously? God does not approve of homosexuality? How do you know? Did she tell you so herself? Please look at the cultural context in which the Bible was written ( by patriarchal value invested men) . Any other cult dogma you’d like to share?

JOlie
JOlie
7 months ago
Reply to  Alice

As usual a comment by someone who clearly hasn’t read the entire Bible.

Jubie
Jubie
7 months ago
Reply to  JOlie

You are talking to people from your perspective that the Bible is the authority. Those whom you are debating with don’t believe that, so telling them to read the whole Bible is inane. May you be in peace living your best life and ceasing telling others what is right or… Read more »

Kay Kramer
Kay Kramer
7 months ago
Reply to  JOlie

The bible is open to interpretation. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vc0Ijc4twZA

JOlie
JOlie
7 months ago
Reply to  Alice

You clearly haven’t read about homosexuality in the Bible. It is a sin. God cannot sin. He can’t go against Himself. Please READ the Bible!

Jubie
Jubie
7 months ago
Reply to  JOlie

Why doesn’t God approve of homosexuality? Or bisexuality? Or etc, etc? Love is Love. Humans are born the way they are in their infinite variety. It’s not for you to say what is right or wrong- unless it’s hurting someone. Peace.

Quilting Grandma
Quilting Grandma
7 months ago

Intelligent discourse, Councilman Muchovej! Me thinks it may go over someone’s head….

J L
J L
7 months ago

So, are you saying homosexuality is a sin?

Kay Kramer
Kay Kramer
8 months ago
Reply to  Sally Fields

#1: So, yes, of course, churches will discriminate against gays. Thank you for confirming. #2: You’re asserting that “social norms” cannot be challenged ? #3: When a “christian leader” implies that a Pride Festival will be harmful to a community, it’s pretty much within reason to call out that BS… Read more »

Quilting Grandma
Quilting Grandma
7 months ago
Reply to  Sally Fields

Ummm, only 31% of humankind believes in Christianity, so I think you better rethink your “vast majority” argument.

J L
J L
7 months ago

Ummm, your percentage is not true.

Jubie
Jubie
7 months ago
Reply to  J L

No JL, she’s about right. Google it.

JOlie
JOlie
7 months ago
Reply to  Jubie

I do not believe everything on Google, so I won’t be googling. And about right isn’t totally right, right?

JUBIE
JUBIE
7 months ago
Reply to  JOlie

JOlie.. If you are a saavy googler, you can look around anywhere and see that the percentage is right. Nobody is totally right, right?

old timer
old timer
7 months ago
Reply to  Jubie

Christians worldwide are about 31%, more like 75 to 80% in the USA, google it yourself. More people drive on the “wrong” side of the road too, worldwide. Who cares! You people go on and on about religion, etc. Transexual, gay lesbian, etc great, have a party, don’t expect me… Read more »

JUBIE
JUBIE
7 months ago
Reply to  old timer

Old Timer, we were talking worldwide. Not that it’s anyone’s business, but I am heterosexual. I am just proud of Bishop for being more inclusive in a town that has not been so much on the past . As with most, you have zeroed in on the sexual aspect of… Read more »

JOlie
JOlie
7 months ago
Reply to  JUBIE

No gay gene!

JOlie
JOlie
7 months ago
Reply to  JUBIE

Homosexuality is about the perverted sexual aspect that is a result of their choices.

David Dennison
David Dennison
7 months ago

Quilting Grandma

Of that 31 % of believers,I wonder what the actual percent of that is people obeying the word of God and the Bible ?
My bet,and from my experience of witnessing myself,a good bet a lot lower…

Harold
Harold
7 months ago
Reply to  David Dennison

Like the soft swingers of Utah🤣